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March 29, 2016
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$33 Sunday Rebuy, last 3 or 4 tables. All players on the table are regs.
PokerStars – 15000/30000 Ante 3000 NL – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 11.78 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
SB: 56.31 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BB: 20.31 BB (VPIP: 19.42, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 104)
Hero (UTG): 41.43 BB (VPIP 18, PFR 18, 3B 9)
UTG+1: 33.37 BB (VPIP: 17.89, PFR: 14.77, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 95)
MP: 18.93 BB (VPIP: 16.49, PFR: 14.13, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 99)
MP+1: 32.82 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
CO: 14.12 BB (VPIP: 13.16, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has A
A
Hero raises to 2.1 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold,
Hero calls 2.9 BB
Obviously being that deep in tournament, I’m trying to get the most value from my AA. I felt like if I 4 bet from UTG, with 18,18,9 stats, I would send him a text message ‘Ive got AA or KK’ and possibly throw him off his JJ or AQ . When he’s 3betting my open from UTG, he shows a lot of strength. If he is that strong, I would get all his chips post flop anyway.
Flop: (12.3 BB, 2 players) 8
4
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Hero checks, MP+1 bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB
Turn: (26.3 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, MP+1 checks
River: (26.3 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 29.33 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 26.3 BB
Postflop – Maybe I could check-raise his flop bet but I didn’t find much reason to do so. On the turn, he checked back but with such low SPR, that don’t necessarily mean much. On the river, I’m trying to get value from the top of his range (JJ+), he’s not gonna call with overcards anyway.
One more thing to consider preflop. We were both quite big stacks (I was around 7/27 pos, he was somewhere similar). Had I 4bet pre, he could fold some good hand to avoid playing against other big stack & abuse the shorter guys.
I would appreciate your feedback guys, both about the hand itself & my read on the hand.
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December 6, 2012
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I think your line is alright here, but some of what I said in response to your other post about the flush applies here as well. Would you never 4bet any hand preflop here? That’s not necessarily bad in this spot, but I fear you aren’t thinking in those terms. Like, you aren’t really building a range for yourself, you’re just looking at your cards and then thinking “Oh crap if I raise Villain is going to know I have AA!” Remember, only you can see your cards. So the question to ask is, are there other hands that you could/would play this way? If so, why does raising reveal that you have a strong hand?
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August 25, 2012
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I second what Andrew says here. If your assumption is that you think your opponent would put you on AA when you 4-bet UTG, you’re probably not 4-bet bluffing enough. You want to be playing aggressively enough preflop that there’s some ambiguity about each bet you make.
Equity denial is also important – villain 3-betting to 5bb and then folding to your 4-bet here, allowing you to profit by ~7.5bb without a showdown, is not that bad of a result.
Not to mention, if villain assumes you have KK+ when you 4-bet here to the extent that they might fold JJ, this is a great spot to be 4-bet bluffing!
March 29, 2016
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Thanks guys for your feedback.
I think I’ve built an image of myself as a bit tight player (with 18VPIP, V had 100 on me). Given that fact, given that it was very deep stage of the tournament, and given V might consider me as a weaker player (lots of regs on the table, I’m sure they knew each other quite a bit, I was just a random guy there) – I do not think V would give me much of 4bet-bluffing range there.
I agree, I do not 4bet-bluff enough. That’s a part I will have to introduce a little bit into my game. I will go over hand history and look for possible 4bet-bluff spots.
Thanks again, I appreciate your comments
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December 6, 2012
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theginger45 said
Not to mention, if villain assumes you have KK+ when you 4-bet here to the extent that they might fold JJ, this is a great spot to be 4-bet bluffing!
Though that’s broadly true, I’m not sure I agree about this spot in particular. It’s legitimately not a spot where Hero should be doing much 4-betting (nor Villain much 3-betting). Effective stacks are only 32BB, so what size could Hero use on a 4-bet that wouldn’t pot commit him? Not to mention that flatting AA is pretty safe because the SPR will already be very low in a 3-bet pot.
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August 25, 2012
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Foucault said
Though that’s broadly true, I’m not sure I agree about this spot in particular. It’s legitimately not a spot where Hero should be doing much 4-betting (nor Villain much 3-betting). Effective stacks are only 32BB, so what size could Hero use on a 4-bet that wouldn’t pot commit him? Not to mention that flatting AA is pretty safe because the SPR will already be very low in a 3-bet pot.
Yeah, I was talking in very broad terms there, should have clarified. Really hard to 4-bet bluff at 32bb deep. Just wanted kardi to start thinking in terms of looking for good 4-bet bluff spots.
February 5, 2015
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I know a couple of years ago Andrew answered this in another thread, but it is not entirely resolved in my mind.
I understand intuitively why, for instance, AA is tougher to play when deep than when shallow stacked, but why is this really? The board runs out with the same 5 cards in any case.
I remember it is to do with the SPR, but can someone expand this idea for me please?
kardi31 said:
“I agree, I do not 4bet-bluff enough. That’s a part I will have to introduce a little bit into my game. I will go over hand history and look for possible 4bet-bluff spots.”
This thinking doesn’t only apply to 4-bet spots. Balance also applies to every betting street and situation.
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