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Getting Paid - Smashed Flop - Big $16.50
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May 22, 2014 - 4:00 am
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It's only L2 of the Big $16.50. No reads on villain.

 

Poker Stars $15.00+$1.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t15/t30 Blinds – 9 players – View hand 2508714
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Hero (MP1): t4624 154.13 BBs
fagoteg (MP2): t2955 98.50 BBs
ROOM117 (CO): t3764 125.47 BBs
SuitedAAKK (BTN): t3290 109.67 BBs
Elberi89 (SB): t3105 103.50 BBs
Dollysz (BB): t2940 98 BBs
TRUE JOCK (UTG): t2908 96.93 BBs
klim1980 (UTG+1): t1254 41.80 BBs
ShoWMusTgON (UTG+2): t1925 64.17 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is MP1 with A of spades K of hearts
3 folds, Hero raises to t90, 2 folds, SuitedAAKK calls t90, 2 folds

This is my standard sizing at this level

Flop: (t225) K of clubs K of diamonds 9 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, SuitedAAKK bets t150, Hero calls t150

Is anyone c-betting here? I feel my hand is so strong I don't want to fold out his whiffed hands and air, that he may get sticky with later or try to bluff with.

 

Delighted when he bets, but just flat for the same reasons as above.

Turn: (t525) J of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, SuitedAAKK checks

 

I think this is where I start to err. His calling range is probably mid PPs, most 9's, any J, any hh hands plus the monsters, whereby his checkback range is everything expect probably AA, Kx, QQ, JJ, AJ

River: (t525) J of spades (2 players)
Hero bets t330, SuitedAAKK calls t330

 

Comments welcome….

 

FHP

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I like the flop check because you are so strong and he might take a stab at it if you check and fold if  you bet. On the turn because he knows you must have something to have called his flop bet he's likely to check so I think you have to bet something with such a good hand just in case he does have a draw of some kind

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Getting paid on flops like this is usually really difficult, mostly because the range of hands he will have that pays you off is pretty small.

 

Without a specific read that this player is likely to try and attempt some sort of a bluff, I c-bet the flop with my entire range. It's pretty standard for players to float flops like this, most because it's less likely you have hit it given it's paired. When you check call, it's saying you have a strong hand. I'm interested to see what he calls with on the river, I'm assuming AQ/AJ, figuring he has chop equity. 

For the most part, this early in a tournament you aren't likely to get a lot of chips in this spot, unless he has a Kx or bluffs off his stack(Which does happen). Doesn't much matter how you play it.

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I feel that unless the villain in these spots (on the flop) has a K himself (unlikely) or a boat (99) then it is incredibly difficult to get him to play three streets and therefore when he does sometimes we will be beaten for sure. I'm obviously not concerned with being beaten but it is an observation worth noting.

Personally, I tend to c-bet on the small side here as I have a fairly high c-bet % anyway so would take the same line with a strong hand and air here. I think by doing this we get called by plenty of A high, pairs, Kx, 9x and maybe even some draws (JT/QT etc) and also random floats in some cases. By c-betting fairly small we might even get villain to raise occasionally as a bluff.

Turn I think I check back and give him chance to stab and probably just call as double barelling will look so strong and so will check/raising although the board texture now means we might get a call from a check/raise if villain has a straight draw, flush draw or some pair/draw combo.

If he checks back turn then I probably make a small-medium value bet on the river. If I have check called turn then probably best to continue the weak line and hope he goes for thin value although there is an argument for betting as he might call with a J thinking you might have bet a draw on the flop etc.

I am looking to really improve my postflop play so hands like this are a useful discussion.

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Thanks guys, he called with A9 which was an ideal Value target it turns out.

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I like to c-bet.  My thinking is as follows.  You want to attempt to biuld a big pot here.  If he missed the flop totally, you are not winning much anyway.  If he actually hit the flop, you are missing on value by not betting.  There is 7.5 BBs in the pot after the flop.  A line of bet/bet/bet of 1/2 pot each street will net a profit of about 26 BBs.  However, a line of check/bet/bet will net a profit of 10 BBs.  If he hit the flop that check can potentially cost you 16 big blinds.  

If I have air, I am very likely to c-bet this board.  My opponents should realize this.  Considering that, thier call range should be wider.  

I really believe alot of value is missed in spots like this where players decide to slow play to get one or maybe two small bets from their opponent, but never going for the big pot that this hand deserves.  

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jjpregler said:

I like to c-bet.  My thinking is as follows.  You want to attempt to biuld a big pot here.  If he missed the flop totally, you are not winning much anyway.  If he actually hit the flop, you are missing on value by not betting.  There is 7.5 BBs in the pot after the flop.  A line of bet/bet/bet of 1/2 pot each street will net a profit of about 26 BBs.  However, a line of check/bet/bet will net a profit of 10 BBs.  If he hit the flop that check can potentially cost you 16 big blinds.  

If I have air, I am very likely to c-bet this board.  My opponents should realize this.  Considering that, thier call range should be wider.  

I really believe alot of value is missed in spots like this where players decide to slow play to get one or maybe two small bets from their opponent, but never going for the big pot that this hand deserves.  

Betting is definitely part of a balanced range. Whether you want to be balanced is another question. Against very fit-or-fold players, you're going to get a ton of folds. Nothing says you have to bet small on the turn and river if you check the flop.

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