Full Tilt Poker $12,500 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t170/t340 Blinds + t25 – 9 players
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spb_txt (CO): BB = 26.6, t9037
foxy232323 (BTN): BB = 40.5, t13780
laurentt1977 (SB): BB = 48.8, t16604
ghanges (BB): BB = 53.0, t18009
nook 1 nook (UTG): BB = 63.7, t21649
BARE1S (UTG+1): BB = 14.8, t5020
lalalend321 (UTG+2): BB = 45.8, t15586
1millionbankrol (MP1): BB = 29.6, t10072
seelown (MP2): BB = 62.9, t21380
Pre Flop: (t735) ghanges is BB with K T
4 folds, seelown raises to t700, 3 folds, ghanges raises to t1955, seelown calls t1255
Flop: (t4305) 7 8 5 (2 players)
ghanges bets t1955, seelown calls t1955
Turn: (t8215) 3 (2 players)
ghanges bets t4055, seelown calls t4055
River: (t16325) Q (2 players)
ghanges bets t10019 all in……
Villain is 16/13 and has folded to 3bet 4/4 times which is why I decided to 3bet hoping to take it down pre flop.
Decided to 3 barrel as I read his calls for a flush draw or mediocre hand, that was perhaps a bluff cather but didnt think he'd commit rest of his stack to it on river. I'd raised and 2 barrelled 2 hands a go and shown down the winner so thought I'd get some credit… Hand before that, 2 barreled and took it on turn. Was hoping to take it down on flop or turn, but when draws missed thought I could snatch it on river.
Getting frisky for no good reason?
October 6, 2010
in general this looks a bit like spew to me – even if villain has folded 4/4 times, that doesn't mean squat really. in fact it means that it will be more likely as time goes on that villain opens a lot stronger.
if i was going to bet that flop after 3betting, i would bet a lot more – something like 2800-3200 would be better. my reasoning for that is your flop bet screams weakness imo, you want to make it look like you have 2 black aces or something and so i would be putting in a much bigger bet on the flop.
then, if you wanted to continue, you could shove turn. this makes your line look like QQ+ imo.
as played, you have given villain value to draw out on you, and if they had 99 or TT then they are probably still calling, as all draws missed, and i think only AQ with a heart is going to play the way you have and be in front of TT say.
so i dont necessarily mind the triple barrel (you have to get your spewyness on sometimes right? :D) but i would play it faster.
Not really a big fan of your 3-bet OOP being so small. Esp both of you being pretty deep and you giving him about 3:1 on a call here to play in position against you.
As for how you played this hand, I do like your sizing on all streets. Is this a spot I would 3-barrel? Probably not, because the texture has not changed much since the flop to really get this guy to hero anything. But I think something should be said for your sizing setting up a river shove and putting the guy to a test. I think you can get away with a smaller turn bet to maximize your potential for a fold on a river shove, whereas if you get jammed on it minimizes the amount of chips you give up in the hand when 2-barreling.
Cheers guys really appreciate the valuable feedback, fairly new to large field MTTs (45s have been my thing over last couple of years) and from watching the vids on the site Ive been trying to learn how to get outta line .
I guess OOP this 3bet size was way too small, would you say if I was on the button that this sizing is good?
And OOP I guess KTo is not worth it either? Unless the pf raiser was much looser, in which case better chance of fold…?
HTP – Always go for 3x OOP even with monsters?
Wein – I had thought when I shoved that I wanted my river bet to be higher % of pot, so turn bet smaller would achieve that defo.
jshilling & benny – you both think that a 4/4 fold doesnt give enough reason to try a play ( I realise that KTo is defo a play), but my thinking was that a 16/13 player would try and steal from HJ fairly light, and his history told me he had folded to 3bets (although these are PT stats and not direct situation reads – ie he might have folded to a lot of action not just one 3bet) – not enough reason to try it on?
Thanks again – already feel like I've learned a load from da Nation!
October 6, 2010
sammyboy said:
jshilling & benny – you both think that a 4/4 fold doesnt give enough reason to try a play ( I realise that KTo is defo a play), but my thinking was that a 16/13 player would try and steal from HJ fairly light, and his history told me he had folded to 3bets (although these are PT stats and not direct situation reads – ie he might have folded to a lot of action not just one 3bet) – not enough reason to try it on?
the reason i am saying that this is that most people, when getting picked on – folded 4/4 times to a 3bet – will then start to tighten up their range a bit, if they are a thinking player. if they are a fish, they will try to “take a stand” with whatever they opened with, and a lot of that still beats you. (ace rag, mid pp etc)
secondly, how many hands was this over? i am guessing less than 100. if you had 1k hands and a 60% fold to 3bet then i would think this is a much better spot. but limited stats can often be misleading.
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