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June 2, 2013
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Merge, $11 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
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Hero (SB): 5,595 (93.3 bb)
BB: 4,405 (73.4 bb)
UTG+1: 6,507 (108.5 bb)
UTG+2: 5,000 (83.3 bb)
MP1: 4,058 (67.6 bb)
MP2: 4,933 (82.2 bb)
MP3: 6,951 (115.9 bb)
CO: 7,891 (131.5 bb)
BTN: 4,985 (83.1 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J
J
2 folds, MP1 calls 60, 3 folds, BTN calls 60, Hero raises to 300, BB folds, MP1 calls 240, BTN calls 240
Flop: (960) 6
J 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, BTN checks
Turn: (960) K (3 players)
Hero bets 400, MP1 folds, BTN calls 400
River: (1,760) 6
(2 players)
Hero bets 4,895 and is all-in???
What should be my target for value here? Kx? flush? bet small or bet big?
I don´t think V has a 6 very often in this case, but lets assume if I had raise river, lets say half pot, and V shove? Can I fold?
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December 6, 2012
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I like, though I’d also either check or bet bigger on turn. If V has a flush he probably won’t call anything, and with a K he’ll probably call anything, so might as well go for max. I would not fold if I bet less, because V could easily be jamming a K.
November 18, 2014
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Mmm can I reverse the question here?
In this specific situation if I was the villain I think I may actually fold in this spot EVEN if I have a K. This is not a small overbet, we are putting over 50BBs on the flop. IF it was an A on the board instead of a K I would be more inclined to call an overbet but given the action I don’t discard AA playing this way.
With that in mind, do you think the times they called justifies the times they don’t or would it be better to do a pot sized bet or a slightly smaller overbet?
The problem here is I tend to do that (make a reasonably sized bet) because I myself would probably fold to a 50BB bet.
In this scenario… is it allright to fold with a K here?
June 2, 2013
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chaos said
In this specific situation if I was the villain I think I may actually fold in this spot EVEN if I have a K. This is not a small overbet, we are putting over 50BBs on the flop. IF it was an A on the board instead of a K I would be more inclined to call an overbet but given the action I don’t discard AA playing this way.
I don´t think I will slow down with AA on a 6J6s flop, playing oop against two opponents here.
chaos said
With that in mind, do you think the times they called justifies the times they don’t or would it be better to do a pot sized bet or a slightly smaller overbet?
I guess if they are going to call a bet pot on the river, they will call a shove too, for me doesn´t change that much the range with what V will call a bet size or a shove.
Maybe if I bet half pot they call with small flush or Jx, but when they have Kx and just call a small bet, instead of calling a shove I guess I loose value.
Also is a $11 tournament, not many thinking players… maybe against tougher field? 1.5x pot…
chaos said
In this scenario… is it allright to fold with a K here?
I am not sure if I find a fold with K here, maybe is good to fold tow.
But I don´t see myself with a Kx limping and call a 5bb raise, AK and KQ I raise for sure pre flop, KJ maybe KT I raise if limper is limping too much.
September 30, 2013
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chaos said
Mmm can I reverse the question here?In this specific situation if I was the villain I think I may actually fold in this spot EVEN if I have a K. This is not a small overbet, we are putting over 50BBs on the flop. IF it was an A on the board instead of a K I would be more inclined to call an overbet but given the action I don’t discard AA playing this way.
With that in mind, do you think the times they called justifies the times they don’t or would it be better to do a pot sized bet or a slightly smaller overbet?
The problem here is I tend to do that (make a reasonably sized bet) because I myself would probably fold to a 50BB bet.
In this scenario… is it allright to fold with a K here?
I like this thought process. If we are put in V’s shoes what could we possibly have in this spot? If we had a flush we would most likely check/fold or in rare cases check/call, not turn the hand into a bluff very often.
So if we look down at KQ it looks really good but what do we beat? Nothing really. It’s not realistic to believe this overshove is done with Jx so best case we split the pot with another Kx and the other times we loose to AA, JJ, KK or 6x. On the rare occasion we herocall a flush that turned the hand into a bluff.
But! In the low stakes tournaments you can’t assume people will think this way and I do think a shove is the best play to get calls from those Kx hands that don’t want to give up the pot and don’t have the same thought process.
If this was a big tournament and V is one of the top online players I would like a bet of 2/3 to 3/4 more often as I think the shove would get a fold way more often then in a random $11 tournament just because of the thought process earlier.
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