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FTP'S 10$ superstack, late stages wierd spot
Alextoon1
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December 14, 2010 - 12:30 pm
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Hi,

 

Little bit background, villan is a kind of a thinking player, very aggro. Me and him are constantly testing each other. He's also a bit spewy and rarely fold any 2 to my 3bets.

 

Full Tilt Poker Super Stack $15K Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1000/t2000 Blinds + t250 – 9 playersHand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

maxcom1981 (UTG+2): BB = 69.3, t138619Peanutbutterkid (MP1): BB = 24.6, t49252Katinhat26 (MP2): BB = 16.5, t32950alex007metal (CO): BB = 35.1, t70192c_murphy (BTN): BB = 26.1, t52210cookiejar444 (SB): BB = 23.6, t47139coldasice909 (BB): BB = 24.4, t48885bob4tier (UTG): BB = 25.5, t51021RussiaRomka (UTG+1): BB = 21.3, t42661

Pre Flop: (t5250) alex007metal is CO with Adiamond Kdiamond2 folds, [color=red]maxcom1981 raises to t4874[/color], 2 folds, [color=red]alex007metal raises to t14499[/color], 3 folds, maxcom1981 calls t9625

Flop: (t34248) 9spade 8club 9heart [color=blue](2 players)[/color]maxcom1981 checks, [color=red]alex007metal bets t13200[/color], maxcom1981 calls t13200

Turn: (t60648) 9diamond [color=blue](2 players)[/color][color=red]maxcom1981 bets t22324[/color], alex007metal requests TIME, alex007metal folds

Final Pot: t60648maxcom1981 shows 6diamond 7club (three of a kind, Nines)maxcom1981 wins t60648

In this hand I planned to Jam it on flop if he raises me and if he just flats I planned to stick it in on turn, suddenly he bets into me and leaveing me no FE at all… surprisedsurprisedsurprisedwas I still supose to stick it in? with no FE and AK high? he's line really seemed strange to me but it didnt look like he's ever going to fold, was I supose to think I'm ahead there?

 

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December 14, 2010 - 12:57 pm
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Couple of thoughts I have on this one. First I think your 3bet is big for being IP, that being said I like the pump up for value against this player type. So my thought/question on that one is if that is your standard 3bet size or did you goose it for value? The bet on the turn looks a lot like a mediocre pocket pair that thinks his FH may be good, but isn't sure. With so much invested in the pot at this point I think I would feel obligated to get it in. There is a good chance that you may be good here and you still have one card to come with two overs to the board to try to beat his FH if he has a smaller PP.

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lespaulgman said:

Couple of thoughts I have on this one. First I think your 3bet is big for being IP, that being said I like the pump up for value against this player type. So my thought/question on that one is if that is your standard 3bet size or did you goose it for value? The bet on the turn looks a lot like a mediocre pocket pair that thinks his FH may be good, but isn't sure. With so much invested in the pot at this point I think I would feel obligated to get it in. There is a good chance that you may be good here and you still have one card to come with two overs to the board to try to beat his FH if he has a smaller PP.


Well, it's not my standard 3bet sizing most of the time at all,

 

 I was more than wiliing to play a big pot against this guy IP since he just doesnt fold to my 3bets.. 67o OOP FTW for him I guess.. 

If I had less then 20BB I wouldnt fold probaly but it really seemed like he's not folding and just couldn't see what I'm beating here.

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December 14, 2010 - 2:45 pm
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awkward spot for sure.  I agree that the 3 bet pre is a little on the big side.

 

As the hand played out I think you just have to fold.  Every once in a while we fold the best hand  wink

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You have like 45k behind in a 32k pot on the flop …

The c-bet sizing is just as bad as the 3 bet sizing because you backed yourself into a corner.

Either 3 bet much smaller pre or shove any flop that comes out when you 3 bet this size.

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I also don't get why you'll jam (or call a jam?) a raise from him on this flop with Ace high and no FE when you can jam first and take away any play once he checks to you.

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FkCoolers said:

You have like 45k behind in a 32k pot on the flop …

The c-bet sizing is just as bad as the 3 bet sizing because you backed yourself into a corner.

Either 3 bet much smaller pre or shove any flop that comes out when you 3 bet this size.

Dont think the 3bet sizing is that bad against this specific player. About the cbet on flop you didnt mention why it's bad, I made it small so he would have room to raise me and I would shove. I lose tons of value if I just jam flop + it's a real big overbet and of course I will get called only by hands that have me beat. I'm pretty sure I'm ahead on the flop.

I think I just made a bad fold on turn to his wierd bet into me. Should have thought about that a little more before I folded. 


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FkCoolers said:

I also don't get why you'll jam (or call a jam?) a raise from him on this flop with Ace high and no FE when you can jam first and take away any play once he checks to you.


As I said above – I lose value that way.

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as mentioned of the 3bet its too large. srry but i indeed have to address this. scale it down to about 10775. honestly the hand was pretty std in my opinion. other than losing some equity in the early going i think the hand is playd fine.  without mentioning bet sizing anymore….u made ur move early on and followed thru by showing strentgh on the flop and couldnt get villian to go away so u fold. std action. sure ur read on villian was right but villian is splashy and aggro so we could have easily been beat there as well. when he leads turn its an easy fold.

 

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December 14, 2010 - 7:36 pm
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if he didn't show you the hand at the end, i dont think you would have worried too much about it. 

 

with regards to preflop action, if villain had been aggro and lots of levelling going on between you guys, i would have just about clicked it back preflop and tried to make it look really weak and get him to shove over you

 

and then if he just calls you can play a smaller pot

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OK, thanks guys smile

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