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Villain 27/12/3.5 (61 hands) No history. I have 6.2k behind when he check raises the turn. What do you do and why? What range are you assigning villain for this?
No Limit Holdem Tournament
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MiniFTOPS Main Event
BTN Hero 8,148
SB joonklee 7,340
[b]BB iAintPayinYou9,352
[b]Blinds: 80/160
Pre-Flop: 8 players) [b]Hero is BTN 9
A
5 folds, Hero raises to 480, 1 fold, iAintPayinYou calls 320
Flop: 6
A
A (2 players)
iAintPayinYou checks, Hero bets 480, iAintPayinYou calls 480
Turn: 3 (2 players)
iAintPayinYou checks, Hero bets 960, iAintPayinYou raises to 4,880[/b][/color]
Hero thinks…
I call this. His range consists out of small (suited) aces, flushdraw. AK AQ he would probably reraise preflop and it's very much possible he has a flushdraw/random bluff/weird 2 pair etc.
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July 20, 2010
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As Doyle brunson says “if i flop a set someones getting paid either me or my opponent”. Never folding in this spot sucks if your beat its just a cooler
SittingDucks said:
I call this. His range consists out of small (suited) aces, flushdraw. AK AQ he would probably reraise preflop and it's very much possible he has a flushdraw/random bluff/weird 2 pair etc.
totally agree. make the call collect ur chips and move on.
bjizz
July 3, 2010
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I disagree with the masses. You're beat here a ton. I don't see a lot of player jamming the turn with flush draws on a paired board after we barrel two streets. That makes no sense at all this deep.
We're repping an Ace and he waaaaay overbet jams the turn? He never shows up with a random flush draw in my opinion.
We're playing 51 bb effective stacks in a large, well structured tournament. There's just no way A9dd is ahead here.
I know it's a narrow range to put him on but 66 and 33 make so much sense here.
I agree with Coolers once again. The only thing that bothers me is his raise size. I figure he would raise here to make sure stacks go in comfortably by the river however he bet way too much, is it a poor bet size or is he really trying to get us to fold. If he does have a FH why would he want use to fold, he cannot fear us boating up on the river imo.
FkCoolers said:
I disagree with the masses. You're beat here a ton. I don't see a lot of player jamming the turn with flush draws on a paired board after we barrel two streets. That makes no sense at all this deep.
We're repping an Ace and he waaaaay overbet jams the turn? He never shows up with a random flush draw in my opinion.
We're playing 51 bb effective stacks in a large, well structured tournament. There's just no way A9dd is ahead here.
I know it's a narrow range to put him on but 66 and 33 make so much sense here.
i see ur reasoning. not arguing ur point of view but wt if the villian just read us for not having an ace is reason he makes this move. flop consists of 1040 and we make a weakish bet of 480. 2k on turn we make another strange bet of 960. it seems we're playing the hand with some uncertainty and could he pick up on this and make this play. just asking here.
bjizz
July 3, 2010
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bjizzle44 said:
FkCoolers said:
I disagree with the masses. You're beat here a ton. I don't see a lot of player jamming the turn with flush draws on a paired board after we barrel two streets. That makes no sense at all this deep.
We're repping an Ace and he waaaaay overbet jams the turn? He never shows up with a random flush draw in my opinion.
We're playing 51 bb effective stacks in a large, well structured tournament. There's just no way A9dd is ahead here.
I know it's a narrow range to put him on but 66 and 33 make so much sense here.
i see ur reasoning. not arguing ur point of view but wt if the villian just read us for not having an ace is reason he makes this move. flop consists of 1040 and we make a weakish bet of 480. 2k on turn we make another strange bet of 960. it seems we're playing the hand with some uncertainty and could he pick up on this and make this play. just asking here.bjizz
I try to base my responses on the information the original poster is able to provide. In this case Polaris said that the two of them do not have any history and the villain's stats are 27/12 which is pretty loose-passive indicating they'll only make strong bets with strong hands the majority of the time and they probably also do not understand bet sizing that well.
These things added up made me think that our villain has a very strong hand but does not know the “proper” way to extract maximum value from it. Although if we have something like AK or AK we're likely snap calling instead of stopping to think if we could possibly be outkicked or worse.
I feel like this type of player would simply call again on the turn with all flush draws and even combo draws like 4s5s. The passive guys tend to simply call their draws until they hit unless their chip stack forces them to be all-in.
I could be off here. On the one hand I see the replies of others and can rationalize why they think that.
On the other hand the replies don't make enough sense to me based on who we are up against.
I don't love it but I'm probably getting it in here with his raise size on the turn….A2-A8 are def. in his calling range and I think he would 3b with AJ-AK but you never know for sure. I just think our hand has a ton of value and is too strong to be folding here.
May 26, 2010
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Thats the issue when playing hands like A9s and flopping trip aces. You pretty much got the flop you want besides flopping a flush or full house so you're probably going to have to call here. There may be a case for making a 'strategic' fold since you are very deep stacked in a huge tournament with alot of satellite qualifiers and weak passive fish.
You can't win the tournament in the first hour but you def can lose it though, so If you have alot of confidence in your game and think you can just find a better spot to get all your chips in and risk your tournament life then fold. If this was an MTT reg he prob INSTA calls and moves on to the next tournament if he busts. I think there are more dynamics here then just call or fold.
i'm torn.
villain seems really loose/passive, which is very concerning. in general, villains don't take a c/c, c/r line with flush draws, and i'd think that this player type does it even less often. really hard for him to have combo draws or pair+draw, and players like this will just call AQ/AK PF (not always obviously, but thinking they always 3b these PF is a mistake).
definitely a tough spot.
June 25, 2010
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I don't see how he doesn't have it, i guess he could do this with A7 or A8, and hagbard is right, fishys don't c/c c/r turn without what they consider a monster. Especially the turn check raise IMO. Turn check raises just scream strength. Was it 66? seems most likely with the other full houses following.
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