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This was my first hand at a new table so i have no reads, i'm utg +1 facing a raise on my immed left start of level. Should i be lookin to get this in most of the time or looking for better spots with no read in a major.
Also i'm new to TPE so i'm lookin forward to posting and talking hands here in the forums ive got a bit of experience and interested in showing/talking spots.
Full Tilt Poker Game #22882511441: FTOPS Event #5 (1r+1a) (167283125), Table 106 – 140/280 Ante 25 – No Limit Hold'em – 16:38:35 ET – 2010/08/06
Seat 1: leguito (13,032)
Seat 2: Groumbis (8,220)
Seat 3: DiamondShauro (6,390)
Seat 4: xxxjtxxx80 (20,642)
Seat 5: SpotLIGHT19 (9,657)
Seat 6: tzahi2008 (22,342)
Seat 7: CrazYSixeS66 (9,186)
Seat 8: BrainEraser (10,755)
Seat 9: arsenal46 (10,175)
leguito antes 25
Groumbis antes 25
DiamondShauro antes 25
xxxjtxxx80 antes 25
SpotLIGHT19 antes 25
tzahi2008 antes 25
CrazYSixeS66 antes 25
BrainEraser antes 25
arsenal46 antes 25
xxxjtxxx80 posts the small blind of 140
SpotLIGHT19 posts the big blind of 280
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrazYSixeS66 [Jh Jd]
tzahi2008 folds
CrazYSixeS66 raises to 666
BrainEraser has 15 seconds left to act
BrainEraser has requested TIME
BrainEraser raises to 1,444
arsenal46 folds
leguito folds
Groumbis has 15 seconds left to act
Groumbis folds
DiamondShauro folds
xxxjtxxx80 folds
SpotLIGHT19 has 15 seconds left to act
SpotLIGHT19 folds
CrazYSixeS66 has 15 seconds left to act
CrazYSixeS66 has requested TIME
????????
This is without reads a fold. Shove will only get calls of better and call sucks too as you are looking for a jack and you're playing a guessing game.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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Yeah. No read I fold too.
He has no read on you either so we can’t assume yet he is making a play on you and we need moves in his range to make it plus ev I think since there are very few pairs we dominate that he’s doing this with.
I can see TT and maaaaybe 99 3 betting an utg1 but not worse pairs and QQ plus provides more combos in this range.
I agree and ty i found the fold with no reads i'll just be getting it in there vs too many hands that just have me dominated, how do you feel if you have the same spot in the C/O to a button 3bet with no history? Are we getting it in there more often because of the likely that hes just 3betting light from the button not giving my LP open credit?
June 25, 2010
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i will agree with fold, because his three bet looks so strong, and if you shove you are basically hoping he flips up AK. I doubt he calls your 4 bet shove with 99 and TT, maybe TT but he is calling it 100% with QQ+ obv. Imo raise to 667, because 666 is bad luck, and you don't get three bet.
I would shove over the button three bet if he is somewhat competent and it was folded to me in the CO, because then he is probably calling you with worse pairs. Maybe 88+, AK, AQ, possible even AJ.
July 3, 2010
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I fold in your actual spot and I shove in your hypothetical spot.
im taking diff approach than every1 else. im calling his 3 bet because there are more hands ur beating than thats beating u pre. we're not deep stack but we do have a little play here. it just seems to weak to fold here. we dont allow ourselves to fall in love with hand but we do have strong enough hand to c wt flp brings and to see wt he does. imo
dont nobody kill me… please
bjizz
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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bjizzle44 said:
im taking diff approach than every1 else. im calling his 3 bet because there are more hands ur beating than thats beating u pre. we're not deep stack but we do have a little play here. it just seems to weak to fold here. we dont allow ourselves to fall in love with hand but we do have strong enough hand to c wt flp brings and to see wt he does. imo
dont nobody kill me… please
bjizz
The problem with this plan is that you're going to be playing out of position.
If overcards fall on the flop you can't be comfortable with playing a big pot and even if the flop is all undercards. You're first to act and either going to either bet and hope to take it down. If we get raised it stinks.
If we check we either have to either call a c-bet bloating a pot or check/fold.
I just feel like your position throughout the hand with a vulnerable hand makes this an unprofitable spot.
RonFezBuddy said:
bjizzle44 said:
im taking diff approach than every1 else. im calling his 3 bet because there are more hands ur beating than thats beating u pre. we're not deep stack but we do have a little play here. it just seems to weak to fold here. we dont allow ourselves to fall in love with hand but we do have strong enough hand to c wt flp brings and to see wt he does. imo
dont nobody kill me… please
bjizz
The problem with this plan is that you're going to be playing out of position.
If overcards fall on the flop you can't be comfortable with playing a big pot and even if the flop is all undercards. You're first to act and either going to either bet and hope to take it down. If we get raised it stinks.
If we check we either have to either call a c-bet bloating a pot or check/fold.
I just feel like your position throughout the hand with a vulnerable hand makes this an unprofitable spot.
because we're out of pos we're chkn every flop for fear of check raise. if board is rags we float. if board is two+ overs we chk fold. evaluate turn and river. if he has AA KK QQ he's likely 2 barrelling. if on AK AQ or smaller prs hes chkng
bjizz
Yea without reads this is a fold, as people have said he has no read on you either so he won't be 3b lite here at all imo.
CO v BTN I shove as he will be 3b a lot wider range.
Im with RFB here OOP this is going to be very difficult to play and we are certainly facing a Cbet on the flop if we call with no idea where we are in the hand. We have not invested a lot in the hand at this point and we are in good shape that we can afford to just let it go.
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