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FT small stack 3-bet/fold good or bad?
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Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
7 Players
$2.00+$0.20
Blinds 800/1,600 7
UTG Konstanti349 111,766
UTG+1 GustavoA13 114,565
MP Hero 26,738
CO olllee123 27,349
D sexymath2000 58,656
SB TroutTeacher 54,869
BB Apatsis 60,557
Preflop
7 3,520 Hero is MP A J
1 fold, GustavoA13 raises to 3,200, Hero raises to 7,200, 4 folds, GustavoA13 goes all-in 114,405
Final Pot 125,125

V seems solid. 28/20 2% 3-bet over 145 hands. In the current flow he just seems solid. I’ve 3-bet him from the BB and he folded and didn’t seem overly agro. Still, he has chips. What do you think?

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Probably shouldn’t 3b without a reason and knowing what you’re gonna do if he 4bs…  

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I planned to fold to a 4-bet before 3-betting, I just don’t know if the plan was good from the start. I felt like fletting would invite a squeeze and folding seemed too tight. At these stakes I rarely get 4-bet so I think I end up seeing a flop in position maybe 60% here and taking it down 35%…it might be even higher but I’m expecting EP opens have more calls. As I think through this I like my line more because I doubt there are many bluffs in his 4-bet range, so maybe I learned what I needed to. He could have had hands that don’t dominate me here too, but probably just any pair and then I’m racing with a slight disadvantage at best. ATs feels too low for his range, but maybe…at the time I figured any Ax ties or beats me. Maybe KQs, but that seems low as well for this V.

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Once you 3-bet here you’ll be getting really good odds when v 4-bet shoves. If your going to 3-bet/f this hand you may as well fold this pre. 

 

I’d fold pre imo.

 

what % of hands do you think is opening up with here? if we 3-bet shove do you think our hand does well against his range? 

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MovieFX said
I planned to fold to a 4-bet before 3-betting, I just don’t know if the plan was good from the start. I felt like fletting would invite a squeeze and folding seemed too tight. At these stakes I rarely get 4-bet so I think I end up seeing a flop in position maybe 60% here and taking it down 35%…it might be even higher but I’m expecting EP opens have more calls. As I think through this I like my line more because I doubt there are many bluffs in his 4-bet range, so maybe I learned what I needed to. He could have had hands that don’t dominate me here too, but probably just any pair and then I’m racing with a slight disadvantage at best. ATs feels too low for his range, but maybe…at the time I figured any Ax ties or beats me. Maybe KQs, but that seems low as well for this V.

You should think more deeply about some of the things you are saying here. You will face a four-bet 5% of the time or less? Even if V is opening a pretty aggressive range from EP, he will have AA or KK about 5% of the time, plus everyone else at the table has a chance of getting dealt those as well.

Why is inducing a squeeze bad? If flatting will actually cause bad hands to re-raise you (which I think you’re overestimating – again, people are constrained in their ability to do this because of the EP raiser), then flatting and calling or shoving over a squeeze sounds like a viable option…

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If this where me i think 3 bet folding is pretty bad with our stack size as from what i can tell we have around 16-17 big`s so im not using this stack as a 3 bet fold stack, if im 3 betting its going to be all in to maximize fold equity but i do still think he can call the shove with worse, sometimes he will turn over better but we can always suck out and if we get a double up we are in a  nice spot

if we are playing for the win we need to take risks and not be afraid to bust, if we are afraid to bust and take a chance its very unlikely we will get our self in a spot that we can win + look at his stack size and stat`s its a fair assumption that he is not only waiting to open premiums and i think that 4 bet could easily be 10`s or lower and i dont mind flipping with 16bb

 

However im a micro stakes player recently coming back from a  break and i focused mainly on 6 max cash before i went on break so dont take this as gospel – it could be very wrong, would love to hear more feedback on this.

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Thanks for the replies! I have plenty more work to do on positions and ranges for 3-betting (or not 3-betting for that matter).

Results:
 – I folded.
 – Later, after busting, I asked what he had and he said AQo

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I think I would fold this, mostly cause he is EP, he has chips, so his range should be wider, but sometimes is not. AJs I am shoving 16.7bb smile

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