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FT money bubble - shove or fold
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August 4, 2012 - 10:44 am
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This was a marignal spot and I was 50/50 about shoving (didnt want to raise fold 15bbs). There was 5 left and 4 paid I was sitting 5th. The table at this point had been playing fairly tight but BB had more than enough chips to call fairly wide.
Cake Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400.00/t800.00 Blinds – 5 players
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1TimeNoAce (BB): t66198.00 82.75 BBs
Hero (UTG): t12560.00 15.70 BBs
_shipit_ (CO): t15699.00 19.62 BBs
AznAllin007 (BTN): t43215.00 54.02 BBs
Redcard83 (SB): t17328.00 21.66 BBs

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is UTG with 8 of clubs A of clubs
Hero raises to t12485, 1 fold, AznAllin007 calls t12485, 1 fold, 1TimeNoAce raises to t66123, AznAllin007 calls t30730 all in

Flop: (t99315) K of diamonds Q of clubs 2 of hearts (3 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t99315) 7 of spades (3 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t99315) K of spades (3 players – 1 is all in)

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no antes at 400/800?.. if there are its a correct shove.. if no antes.. its borderline.. imo

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yep Antes.  HH didn't paste it for some reason.

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yep there was ante's not sure why it dosent show

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Its close. Honestly dont think there is a correct answer, just comes down to whether you wanna take this spot. I personally fold here with 15bbs and UTG when I got some breathing room still and its money bubble.

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5 handed I'm piling here. It's def close as this should be the bottom of our range. KQo prolly bottom. You are the short stack and need to accumulate chips. Don't have any other move with 15BB's or less.

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I think the only thing making this marginal is the money bubble (but your shorty here), otherwise I can't see how 5 handed (Utg is pretty much HJ position here) you aren't ripping A8s suited in here (unless there's no antes)?  I can't really agree with anyone saying its bottom of range with antes. Being the short stack, I'm going with A2s+, A9o+, KJo+, K8s+….anyone good at the math stuff here that can do an analysis?

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Yeah with antes I def open my shoving range a bit here. Your range may be a bit wide but fine IMO.

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A8s from your stack 5 handed is a jam for me though I understand others may fold. I think the fact that you are on money bubble should only widen your jam range and never tighten it, making this a definite jam spot for me. If the table is super nitty/scared then you could think about opening here to fold to a jam, but you need a really solid read on the table for that as it creates a great resteal spot for someone.

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Thanks guys – all good stuff. The raise option was possible but 3 good regs still in that could (and capable of ) a reshove steal. Raise folding would have left me with no fold equity afterwards so didnt like it.

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Amyone put this into Nash calculator? (I would but I am on iPad) I think it’s a definitely shove and I prolly shove quite a but wider too, most aces, prolly K9+, all pairs, QT+

Given you are short stack you really have to take this spot, 4 handed means it’s not many hands till you are under 10bb.

Raising here honestly looks like you are trying to steal and I would jam on you incredibly wide. Maybe even raise-calling is better than raise folding tbh

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