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FT Bubble in a $15 1.6k Gtd 15min levels on 888.  $535 up top and 20 pay so pretty deep in the $. Villian is a winning player but had made some wierd bet sizing in the past.

He appears to be a somewhat thinking player and there aren't too many soft spots left.  I'm pretty sure I was 3rd in chips.

There was a fair bit of levelling going on with most players at this stage and he was only folding 33% on bb & sb steals. (only have a small sample size though.)

My plan pre was to raise and induce a 3b, then 4b to get a fold but I would fold if he 5b shoved still leaving me 26bbs which is completely playable in this structure.  When he flatted it was difficult to range but it looked like a hand he wasn't willing to get it in with pre.  

The flop wasn't a terrible card for me as I figured I could easily rep a big A.  As he liked to stab at pots in the past I decided to check/shove if he bet a smallish amount and fold if he shoved or bet huge.  I figured I can fold out a lot of hands that he would just flat pre.  Of course 5 handed BvsB I'm treating 1010 vs his range as a big hand.

Personally my thoughts are that I'm happy with the way I played this hand and am interested in other opinions as I could have also butchered it:) If nothing else, I'm happy that I followed through with my plan on each street, even if it was the wrong decision. My other main thought is ICM 10 handed?  Is ICM really worth considering at this stage?

Ty in advance!

 

Pacific No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t/t Blinds 800/1600 A160 – 5 players – View hand 2305353

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BTN: t66108 41 BBs – VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 11, AF: 0.0, Hands: 40
Hero (SB): t55699 35 BBs – VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 8, Hands: 39
BB: t50258 31 BBs – VPIP: 23, PFR: 10, 3B: 20, AF: 2.0, Hands: 40
UTG: t68375 43 BBs – VPIP: 23, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 40
CO: t24662 24 BBs – VPIP: 7, PFR: 6, 3B: 4, AF: 0.0, Hands: 88

Pre Flop: (t3200) Hero is SB with T of clubs T of hearts
3 folds, Hero raises to t3088, BB raises to t4576, Hero raises to t12422, BB calls t7846

Flop: (t27244) A of spades 6 of diamonds 9 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t9600, Hero raises to t42317 (all in)…

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September 13, 2013 - 8:18 am
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Think I'd just 4b shove pre if you expect villain to peel alot, if you expect him to be capable of 5bshove lightly just 4b to get it in, don't really like 4b/f vs this villain. 

Flop is fine i guess.

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September 13, 2013 - 9:03 am
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if you are trying to induce a 5bet, i would make it much smaller pre here. i know we are out of position, but i would click it back to 7k or whatever the absolute minimum is. with this sizing and only 31bb i dont think he will light 5bet you at all. i like your sizing if we were maybe 40+ deep.

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I feel like you overthought this hand a bit. Your hand is 1010 and is quite vulnerable especially post flop. I think  a 2.5x raise serves you better because he may still 3 bet but atleast then you can just jam. You really dont want a light 5 bet from something like KQ or KJ and 5bet folding bvb with 30bbs effective is just crazy.

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4b'ing here with intentions of folding is pretty bad.  Your sizing wont really put too much ICM pressure on him so its a wash.  Jamming here over his 3 bet is def profitable, but probably not best.  4 beting to induce a shove and snapping is probably my go to here.

 

OOP we cant really flat pre so that isnt really an option.

 

Your sizing is fine imo, I might go a tad smaller like 11.5 but thats semantics.  Like I said earlier I am 4 betting to induce a shove BvB, would call a dcent % if we were on btn v one of the blinds.

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CCuster 911 said:

4b'ing here with intentions of folding is pretty bad.  Your sizing wont really put too much ICM pressure on him so its a wash.  Jamming here over his 3 bet is def profitable, but probably not best.  4 beting to induce a shove and snapping is probably my go to here.

 

OOP we cant really flat pre so that isnt really an option.

 

Your sizing is fine imo, I might go a tad smaller like 11.5 but thats semantics.  Like I said earlier I am 4 betting to induce a shove BvB, would call a dcent % if we were on btn v one of the blinds.

agree with the above, forgot to say that i am clicking it back to snap it off

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September 16, 2013 - 4:49 pm
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yea. i like the comments on pre.

 

on da flop… all big Ax stuff pre + most pairs, so while he shudnt have an ace, its certainly possible loose doods hood like A9. we turn TT into a bluff as hes never calling with worse but thats ok since most of our equity is in the pot already and c/c wud put us in alot of gross turn spots. 

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I guess at the time, he had min 3b just about any blind steal attempt, but if he had anything decent he would overbet or shove to any more pressure.  Happened twice and he had monsters but he gave up every other time, which is the reason I planned to fold to a big 5b.  It is unusual in this particular structure as 35bbs at the FT feels more like 45 due to the 15 min blind levels and the way smaller fields than Stars.

Sounds like the general concensus is to 4b to induce which def sounds better than my plan.  Live and learn I guess 🙂 Luckily the mtt's are so soft on 888 and it's pretty easy to get deep runs.

Of course his flat pre and then call on the flop with A3o was what threw me.

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I like the 4bet preflop with the intention of getting it in, about the sizing I don't really know, pretty small to make him think he has FE, something like 10K looks ok.

 

I don't really like X/shoving the flop, we make him fold all hands we beat and he is never folding better (maybe JJ it's all). My standard is to bet really small, something like 1/3 pot, he would probably fold his air, if he shoves I'm definitively calling as I don't expect him to shove Ax here if he is competent.

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September 17, 2013 - 7:37 am
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Something's wrong with the hand, also.  You raised to 3088 at 800/1600?

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markconkle said:

Something's wrong with the hand, also.  You raised to 3088 at 800/1600?

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I had to manually type the initial bet sizes as the HH convertor missed/mixed up some things.  Must have mistyped this one 🙂

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September 23, 2013 - 10:07 am
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Also i like to think outside of the box when it comes to LP vs blinds or blind
Battles… Sure the standard is 4b pre to induce but sometimes I find stuffing pre is not only profitable but best. A) it looks the weakest B) we don’t have to worry about him flatting and playing post oop C) we remove tough flops that could kill our value D) they still call with worse.

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