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This is the 7th hand at the FT. Big stack is 50/0 over 8 hands and 15BB flat is 0/0 over 7 hands so impossible to deduce much at all. Would you shove or fold in this spot? How does ICM affect our decision?
Poker Stars $4.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t400/t800 Blinds + t75 – 6 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
herol (SB): BB = 19.0, t15216
BB: BB = 99.4, t79526
UTG: BB = 36.1, t28919
MP: BB = 135.2, t108148
CO: BB = 32.7, t26163
BTN: BB = 15.0, t12028
Pre Flop: (t1650) hero is SB with 9
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1 fold, MP raises to t1600, 1 fold, BTN calls t1600, hero???
Not sure about the icm but with 19 bigs I am jamming here all day.
June 11, 2010
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This is a strong hand considering you are pretty short stacked and don't have a ton of options. I would jam it and hope to double up. No sense waiting around for what could be, gotta take the opportunities ya got!
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July 20, 2010
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absolute perfect 3 bet shove spot. have a look at bigdogs 3 bet shove video perfect for these types of situations
Thanks for the responses guys. I know from a chip equity point of view this is a clear shove with 19 BBs, but I'm still unsure of how ICM and other factors affect our $ equity here. Can anyone shed any light on the subject?
SitNGo Wiz says to push with KK+.
But I understand that it is correct to disregard ICM considerations at times if your fe will be further reduced by the soon to be rising blinds and antes.
Yeah I had SitNGo Wiz as shoving QQ+, so clearly 99 is a fold since our $eV doesn't increase enough if we shove here. I still don't know…
June 25, 2010
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Maybe I should get SNGWiz because this looks like a shove to me.
Theres a lot of questions about these spots lately. Myself i post like 3 a day lololol.
I saw yesterday a great vid on FTP poker academy by Jon Turner, just great about M zones.
I can make a quick resume of it, just cuz I found it very interesting.
M=20 you have all kind of poker available to you
M=10-20 stop calling raises with small pairs, for me 22-77 for a set, if u hit top pair with a decent kicker or have an over pair to the board you should be willing to play for stacks
M= 5 – 10 Perfect 3bet shove stack, and you should not open raise hands you cant call a 3 bet (Im guessing here means not to open KQ, AJ, 88,A10 , not fully sure depends what u like.)
M<5 open shove
In SitNGo Wiz I changed the original raiser to be the utg stack of 28k chips, a stack that will fold much more often than the 108k stack I would think, and changed the action of the big stack to fold and the butt to fold and it comes up with the same reshoving range for hero's 99: QQ+, I must have made some kind of mistake the first time when I got KK+.
That means Wiz does not take into consideration the fe hero's stack will have with 99 vs diff size stacks. Is that right?
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