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This guys a 10/7 after 30 hands.
Can I fold my Qs to this guys 4Bet shove from under the gun?
Is my 3bet Ok?
Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t60 – 8 players (sunday million)
JDAP0211 (BB): BB = 17.1, t10230
joOcLiZ (UTG): BB = 23.7, t14212
Gambles_KW (UTG+1): BB = 16.7, t9994
Staksader (MP1): BB = 48.5, t29093
asdafer (MP2): BB = 56.5, t33880
Lorusya (CO): BB = 22.2, t13346
aragon (BTN): BB = 76.3, t45797
Hero (SB): BB = 41.2, t24720
Pre Flop: (t1380) Hero is SB with Q
Q
joOcLiZ raises to t1800, 5 folds, Hero raises to t5400, 1 fold, joOcLiZ raises to t14152 all in, Hero calls t8752
Flop: (t29384) 8
2
J (2 players – 1 is all in)
Turn: (t29384) 3 (2 players – 1 is all in)
River: (t29384) 9 (2 players – 1 is all in)
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I would never fold this. If you plan on folding to a 4bet you could 3bet less, but anyway I don't think this is a fold ever.
October 6, 2010
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dont be results oriented.
if you are planning to 3bet QQ 25bb effective, you are planning to get it in. simple as that. if he has AA or KK then meh. obviously it sucks that it's in the sunday million (and i assume this might have been a shot you were taking, as it would be for me)
if you dont want to get it in here, you could flat, especially if you think his range is super super strong (30 hands isnt' really enough of a guide), but in general i dont think anything other than 3bet get it in is correct
tbh i cant fold here lol
maybe a larger sample size and some bubble factors could change all of that, but a villain with 23bigs aint folding JJ to our 3bet so i'd click call and hope he squeezes AK
Either way we got screwed as AA and KK crush us and JJ ended up sucking out anyway!
your 3bet sizing is fine btw (full 3x'ing to negate our positional disadvantage)
bennymacca said:
dont be results oriented.
if you are planning to 3bet QQ 25bb effective, you are planning to get it in. simple as that. if he has AA or KK then meh. obviously it sucks that it's in the sunday million (and i assume this might have been a shot you were taking, as it would be for me)
if you dont want to get it in here, you could flat, especially if you think his range is super super strong (30 hands isnt' really enough of a guide), but in general i dont think anything other than 3bet get it in is correct
Im with Benny here. If you arent ready to get it in dont 3 bet this kind of player. if you do decide to flat you need to have a plan for the flop. if you are just flatting to hit a Q then just fold.
yeah…cant 3bet a 20bb stack and fold to his 4bet jam with QQ in your hand. Things could be different if he was deeper but that is not the case. NH
i think i'd play it the exact same way. like the others said, i think if you 3b here a fold would be really bad.
Thanks All,
What sort of a range do you put him after the shove?
I think that’s where my doubts are coming from.
I feel the only cards in his range I’m happy to see are JJ and AQ.
Should I be happy to flip at this stage of the tourney?
3h in.
October 6, 2010
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i think his range is probably wider, but for the sake of calculations, we will put villain on JJ+, AQ+, as thats about as tight as it gets.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.336% 49.93% 01.40% 220586148 6203094.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 48.664% 47.26% 01.40% 208782096 6203094.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
now in this case, we need to call another 8752 into a pot of 20932, which means we need to have at least 8752/(8752+20932)=0.295 = 29.5% equity for this to be a correct call.
our equity against QQ+, AKs is 28.5%, so you can see how tight villain's range has to be for this to be a fold.
the other thing to consider is that we still have 18bb if we call and lose, so thats still workable.
this is a very strongly a call in my opinion. if you get coolered, you get coolered.
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