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Folding my KK on the flop 3 way lost control.
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April 26, 2011 - 12:49 pm
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I decided to take a look through my play and came across this one.  Truth is I am pretty confused as to what the standard would be in this situation.

Full Tilt Poker $3 + $0.30 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t60/t120 Blinds – 9 players – View hand 1290024
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AhmedJihad (MP2): t4180         34.83 BBs
pablitux05 (CO): t6707         55.89 BBs
1834 (BTN): t1595         13.29 BBs
LucGPF (SB): t2733         22.77 BBs
ryoko1227 (BB): t3170         26.42 BBs
HawkEye1001 (UTG): t12965         108.04 BBs
mynez89 (UTG+1): t2675         22.29 BBs
cesarzar (UTG+2): t2845         23.71 BBs
KondorMid (MP1): t2915         24.29 BBs

Pre Flop: (t180) KondorMid is MP1 with Kheart Kdiamond
3 foldsKondorMid raises to t360, 2 folds, 1834 calls t360, LucGPF calls t300, 1 fold

Flop: (t1200) 8spade 7diamond 5club (3 players)
LucGPF checks, KondorMid bets t500, 1834 raises to t1235 all in, LucGPF calls t1235, KondorMid requests TIME, KondorMid folds

Turn: (t4170) 6spade (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t4170) 7heart (2 players – 1 is all in)

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April 26, 2011 - 1:23 pm
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would never fold there gl or gg

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April 26, 2011 - 1:24 pm
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These $3 KOs are so soft, I've seen people regularly make moves like this w/ 99, A8 or even just AQ+.  At this stake you'll still be ahead of both players a chunk of the time – if you fold you'll only have 20 bbs and it's a turbo so you'll have even less than 20 bbs very soon.  The SB's call can look scary, but you have to build a stack at some point in these.  I don't generally like saying it's a $3 whatever, but in this case I'll say it and call – maybe even just ship it in to get the rest of Luc's stack when you are ahead.

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Don't fold and c-bet this board a lot bigger than you did so the decisions become that much easier for you.

Leaving yourself wiggle room to level yourself into making a bad fold is infinitely worse than talking yourself into a bad call in my opinion …

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April 26, 2011 - 5:38 pm
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I would call here too for the same reasons above.

I'm not saying it did, but try not to let the turn and river affect your analysis of the hand. Like if one of them ended up hitting a straight or two pair or even trips on one of those later streets then that doesn't necessarily make your fold correct. I know I'm guilty of being hindsight-biased whenever I make a bad fold but justify it by saying I would have lost if I played anyway. And many times I don't even get to be “correct” because a majority of the time that I level myself into folding, I would've won had I stayed.

Obviously you won't be correct all the time and it will always be situational. I like how ytseshred considers the overall tournament situation when making this decision. I have to work on thinking more in terms of the bigger picture and not just about the individual hand or blind level.

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April 27, 2011 - 3:32 am
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I'm always getting it in here

too many potential draws and too many over played top pairs by the villains, that you are way ahead of.

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April 27, 2011 - 8:23 am
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if your not cbet/calling that flop i wouldn't be cbetting at all against 2 players on a connected board. So if your not willing to go all the way with it here then just check.

 

I would always be looking to get it in here. Like Hapetimes said, so many combos of hands that your beating Vs hands that have you beat. maybe if effective stacks were closer to 100bb it might be worth thinking about folding

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April 28, 2011 - 5:33 am
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What was reason for cbet sizing?

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April 28, 2011 - 10:44 pm
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fist pump get it in for the reasons already explained above 😛

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