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gigantorrr

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November 16, 2012 - 5:18 am

PokerStars Hand #89310733399: Tournament #644326956, $3.19+$0.31 USD Hold'em No Limit – Level XXI (4000/8000) – 2012/11/15 21:32:31 ET
Table '644326956 9' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: GIGANTORRR (142246 in chips)
Seat 2: duduavaiano (60011 in chips)
Seat 3: oradeanul (94829 in chips)
Seat 4: nobeatfleet (130112 in chips)
Seat 5: MoViN.tArGeT (198952 in chips)
Seat 6: 50denson (46318 in chips)
Seat 7: avagom8 (133170 in chips)
Seat 8: kasand (67726 in chips)
Seat 9: JoseClovis (35136 in chips)
GIGANTORRR: posts the ante 800
duduavaiano: posts the ante 800
oradeanul: posts the ante 800
nobeatfleet: posts the ante 800
MoViN.tArGeT: posts the ante 800
50denson: posts the ante 800
avagom8: posts the ante 800
kasand: posts the ante 800
JoseClovis: posts the ante 800
MoViN.tArGeT: posts small blind 4000
50denson: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to GIGANTORRR [Qd Qh]
avagom8: raises 8555 to 16555
kasand: folds
JoseClovis: folds
GIGANTORRR: calls 16555
duduavaiano: folds
oradeanul: folds
nobeatfleet: folds
MoViN.tArGeT: raises 181597 to 198152 and is all-in
50denson: folds
avagom8: folds
GIGANTORRR: ?

now this dude is the chip leader, and im second in chips, and he got here by constantly open shoving on the money bubble, so i knew he was hyper agg!

but this time seemed odd because there was an open in ep and a flat from mp…

is it really bad to fold here? i soooooooo wanted to fold because im sure alot of you know that the 3.50 rebuy is REALLY top heavy! its like $39 for 9th and $520 to first.

does anyone else have a fold in them here?

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November 16, 2012 - 5:27 am

also, i flatted avagom8's raise because the whole tournament we had been clashing and getting into leveling wars and i knew that if i raised that he would probably shove!

i might as well tell you guys that i made the call, and i think that the main reason is because there was 52000 in the pot and he was facing the 2 of the other chip leaders in the tournament so it seemed like a good spot to shove light for MoViN.tArGeT, especially when the average chip stack was like 10bb's and there was already 6.5bb's in the pot…. but even knowing all of that stuff, is it really bad to fold here? because i really really really wanted too!

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November 16, 2012 - 10:15 am

I'm never folding QQ in that spot especially since you started the hand with about 18bbs

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November 16, 2012 - 4:20 pm

I don’t mind your flat with your read but you have to have a plan for the stacks left to act. It sounds like you didn’t think that far ahead. With your villain being so aggro this is just another spot for an aggro player to keep shoving as the pay jumps still matter to the table in fact you admit the jump affecting your play so I’m sure villan thought this too. As played with your stack I’m either shoving or flatting behind hoping someone is shoving over me or if I get heads up I’m getting in most flops.

Flatting and then folding is horrible and folding pre is almost as bad IMO. This is the final table these are the hands you gotta play aggressively to take a tourney down. Yah sometimes you lose an it does hurt when it happens but you get use to it and eventually you get over letting emotion get in the way of rational decisions.

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November 16, 2012 - 5:09 pm

With how you described the villain, I probably flat to induce the squeeze by him and snap call here and feel good about it!

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November 16, 2012 - 7:21 pm

Yea I’m with Chuck here, i think folding pre here is bad. At the ft all these shorties I don’t mind flatting the open but I’m hoping someone squeezes and I beat them into the pot. I just can’t see folding here and hoping for something better. I think u may be leveling yourself into thinking he is leveling u after being super aggro up till now

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November 16, 2012 - 7:49 pm

if you have history and you think that initial raiser will 4 bet a high % of the time then surely that is a reason to 3 bet as QQ is near the top of your 3 bet range and way ahead of his 4 bet range. as played snap call with qq

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November 16, 2012 - 9:21 pm

gigantorrr said:

also, i flatted avagom8's raise because the whole tournament we had been clashing and getting into leveling wars and i knew that if i raised that he would probably shove!

If so, why in the world aren't you raising queens son?!?!? At these stack sizes/table layout, your hijack-1 flatting range should be non existent. No offense, but flatting this UTG open is gross imo, and extremely sub optimal when small 3b or shove are the other options.

I don't want to discredit your reads or table dynamics/game flow, but it appears to me like you're leveling yourself. If you and UTG have been battling it out and playing back at each other this is a dream spot to get it in pre. I see little to no merit in flat calling pre given UTG's opening range + your hand strength + stack sizes + FT factors and what not.

As played, snap call SB jam ainec

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