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August 20, 2015
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Hi there,
Would like some opinions on this hand.
partypoker – $5.50+$0|100/200 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: …..racker.com
CO: 13,753
BTN: 9,032
Hero (SB): 13,172
BB: 7,979
UTG: 5,648
UTG+1: 5,100
MP: 9,920
MP+1: 34,370
MP+2: 8,255
9 players post ante of 20, Hero posts SB 100, BB posts BB 200
Pre Flop: (pot: 480) Hero has Ad Ac
fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 400, CO calls 400, fold, Hero raises to 1,400, fold, MP+2 calls 1,000, CO calls 1,000
Flop : (4,580, 3 players) Td 6s 7s
Hero bets 2,853, MP+2 raises to 6,835 and is all-in, CO raises to 10,817, fold
Turn : (21,103, 2 players) 5c
River : (21,103, 2 players) 4h
Firstly, I think I should be 3 betting bigger preflop. 1700/1850 perhaps ? I also would be calling if 1 player jams here, but after 3 bet/call/call and c bet/jam/re jam I thought I was in pretty bad shape to pair plus draw combos, sets, and perhaps a flopped straight from the CO.
Hope you’re all well and look forward to reading your input 
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August 25, 2012
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I don’t really agree that 3-betting bigger would be better. You went 3.5x versus an open and a flat-call – that’s perfectly fine.
I think your c-bet sizing is too big, though. You’d never make it that size with a bluff on this flop, and you have very few bluffs in your range anyway. I think 2.2k is about the biggest you should be betting here.
I think it’s a pretty close decision here versus two shoves. You need to look at your reads on your opponents – is the original raiser the type of player who can never do this with Tx, or the type who will always do it with Tx, or somewhere in between? Is the CO flatting a wide range versus the open and the 3-bet, or do they have mostly sets here when they do this?
You can’t look at this decision in a vacuum and say “this is a call” or “this is a fold” without some idea of what your opponents’ ranges are. We need more information.
Having said that, if we’re completely readless, I would probably call given the tournament you’re in. In a $5 PartyPoker event very few players are going to be capable of folding top pair here versus the first shove, so that widens the second player’s range considerably. When you factor in that there are so many draws out there, plus the possibility that one or other of the players could be a passive type who turns up with JJ-KK, I think it’s most likely a call.
September 14, 2014
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I’d probably fold ingame but i totally agree with ginger , you have to figure out your opponents range’s and see how your hand is playing against that range. It’s not easy to make a strong hand in poker and to flop a straight is very unlikely, CO could also have Tx in their range or a hand like KsQs for instance.
August 20, 2015
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Thanks for your input guys, much appreciated.
I definitely didn’t love folding this hand, although my read on MP2 was of a fairly solid player. He hadn’t been showing up with garbage and was playing pretty carefully, so I thought his jam was pretty strong. CO was new to the table, but his re shove definitely affected my decision. I ran the ranges I had them on in game and it was a clear fold, although against the wider range ginger suggested we had decent equity (can’t remember the figures, had a look before my session this morning).
I was definitely aware of preserving my stack and thought folding and having 45bb’s was better than risking chips in a tricky spot. Would this be something that cross your mind ginger, perhaps at a later stage of the tourney if we were close to the bubble. Do we weight it more towards a call if we have them both covered and we don’t risk our tournament life ?
MP2 had A10 and CO had J10, neither with the flush draw. I was pretty surprised when I saw, and I got berated by my housemate who was next to me at the time !
Hope you’re well
February 20, 2015
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On one hand, the second shover saw you C-bet after 3-betting pre and still decided to overshove. But on the other, it’s a $5 on PP.
Agree on the preflop raise sizing. What other hand could you 3-bet to 1700, for example?
August 20, 2015
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My thoughts on 3 bet sizing were results orientated. I was thinking if I had got the pot HU then I have an easier decision on the flop. 2 players came along with worse hands which is great. On a lot of different board textures, I win a big pot here I think !
January 20, 2014
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Ginger hit the nail on the head: Pre flop sizing was good. Cbet was a little big. You went over 60% of pot, where here I think a little under 50% is good.
I think this is a good exercise in how wide people’s ranges can be. I think they are shoving a lot of draws here and a lot of top pairs.
Thanks for the post 🙂
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