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Full Tilt Poker $25K Super Stack (Early Antes) No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t20/t40 Blinds + t5 – 9 players
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conArtisten (UTG): BB = 149.6, t5984
_WiggoKatt_ (UTG+1): BB = 154.0, t6158
Supra1988T (UTG+2): BB = 113.0, t4520
Amanda83 (MP1): BB = 112.3, t4493
slowcheetah1 (MP2): BB = 102.5, t4100
dro87 (CO): BB = 130.7, t5229
McBain74 (BTN): BB = 126.6, t5062
pareshjain (SB): BB = 56.6, t2265
Tha_Hiv (BB): BB = 179.7, t7189
Pre Flop: (t105) McBain74 is BTN with A
K
6 folds, McBain74 raises to t120, 1 fold, Tha_Hiv calls t80
Flop: (t305) 5
K
7
(2 players)
Tha_Hiv checks, McBain74 bets t200, Tha_Hiv calls t200
Turn: (t705) 7 (2 players)
Tha_Hiv checks, McBain74 bets t500, Tha_Hiv raises to t1105, McBain74 calls t605
River: (t2915) 5 (2 players)
Tha_Hiv requests TIME, Tha_Hiv bets t4024
McBain74: WTF??
Would like to hear from the pros perspective as well on this one please. Villian had been active at the table but he wasn't a donkey by no means. Never sat down at a table with him b4 as well. Based on his stats he looked like a mtt reg. as well
October 6, 2010
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tough spot.
he is repping quads or A7 here really, pretty small range.
the turn raise would be setting the alarm bells off in my head.
since you called turn it is pretty obvious you have a hand, and to me this looks like major value town.
It sounds like you OPR'd him or have some reason seem to think he's a pretty decent player. Given that, he doesn't have much of a range if any of hands that he is valuing and also lose to you. You aren't chopping because he would have raised pre with AK. So I think he has mostly monsters here or a bluff once in a blue moon. Expect to find him with the hands benny mentioned, or maybe some kind of connector with a 7 in it. I fold river.
tough board run out with ur top pr top kickr hand. As mentioned he is repping a very narrow range. calling from the bb he could have a number of suited/gapped 7x type hands. dont know if he's flatting pre with A7s or off for that matter. his river bet is awquard. i fold here. cant call as we're only beating a bluff here.
the fact that he tanked then made the over shove is really suspicious as he obv wants you to think hes bluffing. fold.
bjizz
July 3, 2010
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He's putting you on Kx here.
The river overbet is definitely a nice play by him. He's either bluffing and blowing you off Kx or he's valuetowning the crap out of you by assuming you cannot fold AA, AK, or KQ here.
The Turn here is a cash game way ahead/way behind concept and that is where your decision must be made in this hand.
I do not like calling to evaluate the river in this spot since he will likely put out a good sized bet no matter what falls. And a lot of times he does this with 55 or 7x. I do not think he is raising the turn with a worse Kx hand.
I probably check back the turn to keep the pot small because I do not think we're getting more than 2 streets of value against lesser hands anyway. That keeps midpairs and some other crap still within his range. The board is so dry so I don't think we need to fire a second shell on the Turn.
June 11, 2010
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Gotta agree with Coolers here, pot def. got out of control on the turn. If you check back the turn you will certainly face a bet on the river based on his represented holding, but I suspect it would be a lot smaller as your line looks a lot more like a c-bet and give up than a Kx hand and you may be able to call it (thinking your good as opposed to knowing you are beat) and gather some solid information about the player. As played, you are looking at a mammoth bet to call on the river any way he does it (min is probably 25% of your stack) and I doubt I am calling here with TP/TK to that strong of a bet given the re-raise on the Turn. If he had called the turn bet I would have to spend a bunch of time on the river thinking about whether I was facing an Ax hand that thought it was good or at least chopping the pot.
All in all, I think the turn pretty clearly defines the hand, you got crushed, i fold to the 3bet and be grumpy about it, but move on.
May 26, 2010
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FkCoolers said:
He's putting you on Kx here.
The river overbet is definitely a nice play by him. He's either bluffing and blowing you off Kx or he's valuetowning the crap out of you by assuming you cannot fold AA, AK, or KQ here.
The Turn here is a cash game way ahead/way behind concept and that is where your decision must be made in this hand.
I do not like calling to evaluate the river in this spot since he will likely put out a good sized bet no matter what falls. And a lot of times he does this with 55 or 7x. I do not think he is raising the turn with a worse Kx hand.
I probably check back the turn to keep the pot small because I do not think we're getting more than 2 streets of value against lesser hands anyway. That keeps midpairs and some other crap still within his range. The board is so dry so I don't think we need to fire a second shell on the Turn.
Excellent advice as per usual from this guy. I totally agree with checking back the turn and calling a bet on the river. Bigdog does this all the time. Raises pf-, c-bets the flop, checks turn, and calls bet on the river.
October 6, 2010
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Metasploit said:
Excellent advice as per usual from this guy. I totally agree with checking back the turn and calling a bet on the river. Bigdog does this all the time. Raises pf-, c-bets the flop, checks turn, and calls bet on the river.
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You play at a much higher level than me, and I am not that good either. I find it quite hard to put someone on a range from one hand, but I can explain my thought patterns as I would have played the hand. Maybe posting them will improve my own game.
Pre flop and on the flop I am playing the same.
On the turn I will not check behind, why give people completely free cards just for a little bit of pot control? But I am betting closer to half pot as I see little reason to inflate it too far. When he check raises I will assume some semi bluffs and some made hands, I will call it with the intention of calling a small bet on the river if the flush misses. If the flush hits I will assume that any river bet will mean he has at least tptk, with the empasis on “at least”.
On the river the size of his bet makes it a fold for me. We are at 20/40 and I it seems a bit early to be playing guessing games for stacks on a two paired board.
I dare say there is several things wrong with my thought pattern, feel free to point them out as that way I might finally get better.
July 3, 2010
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kondor said:
You play at a much higher level than me, and I am not that good either. I find it quite hard to put someone on a range from one hand, but I can explain my thought patterns as I would have played the hand. Maybe posting them will improve my own game.
Pre flop and on the flop I am playing the same.
On the turn I will not check behind, why give people completely free cards just for a little bit of pot control? But I am betting closer to half pot as I see little reason to inflate it too far. When he check raises I will assume some semi bluffs and some made hands, I will call it with the intention of calling a small bet on the river if the flush misses. If the flush hits I will assume that any river bet will mean he has at least tptk, with the empasis on “at least”.
On the river the size of his bet makes it a fold for me. We are at 20/40 and I it seems a bit early to be playing guessing games for stacks on a two paired board.
I dare say there is several things wrong with my thought pattern, feel free to point them out as that way I might finally get better.
When you bet the turn you're removing a lot of hands from his range that we beat. If he has something like 66, 88, 99, TT … he's not calling again if he is a good player. If you check now you may induce a river bluff/semi-bluff or you can now value bet and a hand like 99 may call you thinking you have air biscuits and are betting because it's the only way you can win the pot.
I definitely like checking back the turn and either calling a river bet (raising if it's a King obviously) or valuebetting a weird amount that looks slightly bluffy when checked to.
As played I would fold the river. it's a wierd spot that makes me curious, but I don't think many players would overbet bluff in this spot, especially a skilled reg. He may be occasionally bluffing here and realized that an overbet is the only way to win. However, I think almost always he would “value bet bluff” an amount of 2100-2900 here instead of overbetting.
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