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Fold AA to flop jam?
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December 1, 2013 - 1:01 pm
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Just wanted to know, do you find a fold here? (Villain is a loosing player with fishy stats 33/2):

GTECH G2 (Boss) - kr25/kr50 NL - Holdem - 10 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 9,950 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 9,325 (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 82)
UTG+1: 9,875 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 10)
UTG+2: 11,250 (VPIP: 8.54, PFR: 6.10, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 82)
MP: 8,475 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+1: 10,622 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (MP+2): 9,478
CO: 10,450 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 10,650 (VPIP: 26.89, PFR: 2.96, 3Bet Preflop: 3.05, Hands: 305)
SB: 9,825 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 25, BB posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has As Ac
fold, UTG+1 calls 50, fold, MP raises to 150, MP+1 calls 150, Hero raises to 581, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 531, MP calls 431, MP+1 calls 431

Flop : (2,399, 4 players) Ks 2d 6c
UTG+1 checks, MP checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets 998, UTG+1 raises to 9,294 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold

UTG+1 wins 4,395
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December 1, 2013 - 1:49 pm
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I'm more likely to call if I think he's a fish and if this is a low stakes tourney. If he has me beat, I'll be glad to double or bust so early and just fire up another one.

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Never folding, I love getting gifted stacks laugh

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Im never folding either. just way to many things here that we crush and doubt he ever does that with a set.

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@loxxii: $350 buy in, national championship, once a year… (I sattied.)

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That is such a dry board.  What can he possibly be representing?  A set?  That's a horrible move for a set.  I bet he has AK and you were ahead the whole time.  I call and rebuy if I lose.  BTW I make this move whether it is a $10 online tournament or a $1650 WSOP regional or what have you.  Maybe I can find a fold if this is the actual WSOP and I really really don't want to get eliminated this early.  Even if he has something utterly bizarre like 2 pair, it has to be with something like K-6, which is easy to counterfeit.  In order to be behind he has to have a set specifically.  I just don't see your opponent being ahead greater than 50% of the time here. 

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I would be choosing bigger sizing preflop & never folding against fish on the flop. I don't he is just check/shoving his sets here.

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Yeah in that case, I would call. It is basically a low stakes tournament by live standards and he is an unknown.

 

Overshoving with a set here is clearly not the standard play, but it doesnt seem bad if you think a guy will call with AA and probably AK (for a almost guaranteed chop) as well. Your range does look weighted towards big hands of which only 1 beats a set. If he had a set, he just happened to pick the one guy that could lay down AA and AK. Personally, I would have called him but snap folded to a guy like Ed Miller.

 

If he did this with AK (which is more likely since he is a random), then his play was way worse.

 

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@loxxii: $350 buy in, national championship, once a year… (I sattied.)

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December 3, 2013 - 3:39 pm
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My reasoning behind the fold was that there hardly ever is an overshove on the network without the stone cold nuts.
But as Wizard says he might be/probably was “trapping” with AK. Though a few hands earlier, guy on my left limp call/check call/check called a flopped KKK on a rainbow non-connected board. So this probably was doing my head in. Should’ve called and be doubled or be done with it.
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December 4, 2013 - 9:49 pm
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when you said you sattied to a national championship that is held once a year, i just assumed this was live which is obv wrong now that i look at the HH. if you factor in the chance of a misclick then i think it's a snap call.

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December 6, 2013 - 2:58 pm
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My index finger would actually get sore from clicking the call button so fast 🙂 If he has a set nh onto the next one if we dont resuck.

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December 6, 2013 - 8:09 pm
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Yea, yea… Rub it in… 😉 but that’s what we’re here for. Eff up, learn, crush.
(Just getting impatient for the crushing part.)

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December 6, 2013 - 9:00 pm
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+1 to others, snapcalling. Plenty of weaker players can do this with AK or KQ or whatever other random hand they decide is good.

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