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focault , bluffing series - did hero played this fine?
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#Game No : 658810902

***** 888poker Hand History for Game 658810902 *****

$100/$200 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***

Tournament #65047436 $3.60 + $0.40 – Table #8 9 Max (Real Money)

Seat 7 is the button

Total number of players : 8

Seat 2: truemanP ( $5,875 )

Seat 3: IXY666 ( $1,750 )

Seat 4: ArlanZ ( $9,644 )

Seat 5: meritmoore ( $3,147 )

Seat 6: Romarrrio ( $5,900 )

Seat 7: lordcrazyy ( $25,843 )

Seat 9: andy7915 ( $9,968 )

Seat 10: london_ace ( $7,746 )

andy7915 posts ante [$25]

meritmoore posts ante [$25]

lordcrazyy posts ante [$25]

truemanP posts ante [$25]

IXY666 posts ante [$25]

Romarrrio posts ante [$25]

ArlanZ posts ante [$25]

london_ace posts ante [$25]

andy7915 posts small blind [$100]

london_ace posts big blind [$200]

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to london_ace [ 7heart, 5club ]

truemanP calls [$200]

IXY666 folds

ArlanZ folds

meritmoore folds

Romarrrio folds

lordcrazyy folds

andy7915 calls [$100]

london_ace checks

** Dealing flop ** [ 3diamond, 8spade, 4heart]

andy7915 checks

london_ace checks

truemanP checks

** Dealing turn ** [ Kheart ]

andy7915 checks

london_ace bets [$400]

truemanP folds

andy7915 calls [$400]

** Dealing river ** [ 3club ]

andy7915 checks

london_ace bets [$1,200]

andy7915 folds

 

Hey ,

 

No reads.

 

When v checks flop and  turn , i discounted strongh hands from there range , there range looks weak. They may have a hand like 8x or maybe they picked up a heart draw on the turn at the very least.

 

my question is would u make a modest bluff in this spot or a ambitious bluff? 

 

i'm just confused , since i know that villians range is weak and if thats the case there was no need for me to bet more then half a pot on the river, i should of made a underbet, right?

 

The reason why i went for a larger bet wa because i was tryng to get them of an 8x.

 

if However i wa going for an ambitous bluff , under betting would obv be incorrect since i'm trying to  make them fold a strong hand so my sizing has to be bigger.

 

I consider the turn a number 4 spot , so i'm prettty much betting all my air here , as for the river i'd consider it also a number 4 spot.

 

thoughts on this?

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I agree with turn being a 4 spot (though don't forget there's another player in the hand who hasn't acted yet, so you haven't seen both players check twice). River is less good, though I'd still bet with your hand. I think you should go modest, though. I don't think V is likely to have an 8 after checking twice, and if he does I doubt he folds, so I'd just try to get him off of 4s and busted draws.

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 I'm glad I've got it right!

 

Thank you so much andrew.

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Quick question here. You are saying he is weak and I agree on that. And I would have most probably attacked the pot like you did.
However, looking at the board, it is very likely he hit something.
My question is though, how do we look at it from that perspective and how do we structure our plan?
Do we go by his back to back checks and bluff? If so, how do we not think at some point that he has a good hand and trapping, especially when we dont know about villain’s tendencies?
I personally would have just flatted here with the mid and top of my range in this scenario from small blind as I am not a fan of leading when Im out of position because it pays more to be concealed from the blinds. Im telling this because you said he would have raised if he had a strong hand.
I am just having difficulty discounting hands immediately when I dont know about the villain.

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hey mate , In genreal when your opponents checks flop and turn it that gives away the strength of their hand. Their range looks more towards air and at best maybe marginal , maybe checking it down with a hand like QTs , Q9s ,  A4s, 55 and stuff like that.

 

yeah sometimes they might be slow playing with a strong ass hand , but most often then not , we will be able to take it down with a small bet on the turn we only need them to fold 25% of the time for our bet to be profitable , your bluffing range should be wide in this spot. 

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Never,

Have you seen my Hand Reading series? I think it will help you with some of this. Anyway, even if you can’t eliminate strong hands, bluffing can still be correct. It’s a lot easier to make a weak hand than a strong one, and as “folding” said, a small bluff doesn’t need to work very often.

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