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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 727242570
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 727242570 *****
$400/$800 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #73002034 Free 10 Max (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: StephenCury ( $26,444 )
Seat 3: london_ace ( $32,358 )
Seat 4: Storm_7 ( $53,198 )
Seat 6: successalway ( $11,105 )
Seat 7: YPA333 ( $26,477 )
Seat 9: zfischi ( $6,391 )
Seat 10: DAVER_39 ( $15,218 )
StephenCury posts ante [$100]
YPA333 posts ante [$100]
zfischi posts ante [$100]
DAVER_39 posts ante [$100]
london_ace posts ante [$100]
successalway posts ante [$100]
Storm_7 posts ante [$100]
zfischi posts small blind [$400]
DAVER_39 posts big blind [$800]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ A
, A
]
StephenCury folds
london_ace raises [$1,600]
Storm_7 folds
successalway folds
YPA333 calls [$1,600]
zfischi folds
DAVER_39 calls [$800]
** Dealing flop ** [ 5
, 5, A ] $5,900
DAVER_39 checks
london_ace checks
YPA333 checks
** Dealing turn ** [ T] $5,900
DAVER_39 checks
london_ace checks
YPA333 bets [$2,400]
DAVER_39 folds
london_ace raises [$5,850]
YPA333 calls [$3,450]
** Dealing river ** [ 7 ] $17,600
london_ace ???
hey hey
reads – V seems pretty active, has been calling a fair amount pre , not seen any showdowns.
on the river i was unsure if i should shove or check, when V calls the turn raise their range seems marginal hands which include Tx , i’m not too sure if they have monsters in their range i.e. flushes and if thats the case they’ll likely shove turn as they could get value from Ax which may be in hero’s range. So when they call turn its rather unlikely now that i think about it more, its more likely that they may call with a draw like KT QT JQ with a diamond. if we shove river they are folding those which makes me wanna check.
otr there range seems marginal/missed draws , they may have a flush (highly discounted given turn action) and if they do they’ll bet those anyway when checked too , so i actually thinking checking would be better then shoving. If we shove though we may get called with Tx , or do u disagree? and if we check they’ll check those back which we lose value from..
thoughts?
cheers.
August 10, 2014
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Gotta always jam river I do believe.
I think you should be more concerned with your own range than villains in spots like these. And if you aren’t jamming the top of your range here then you have problems.
This is basic game theory stuff that I’m still learning, but Andrew’s range construction series covers this.
Flop check is OK I think, but would bet the turn.
April 30, 2015
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Yes.. Jam the river, or bet “pot” to put villain all-in. The turn action has made sure that pot is 17k while villain has about 19k behind. If I were the villain and if I see a 1/2 pot or less bet from you, I will think you are very strong. There is one more thing that you could do, that is min-bet hoping for villain to see it as a horrible move and raise you. But if he just calls the min bet, you will need to torture yourself for missing some value for your hand..
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December 6, 2012
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GunnJD said
Gotta always jam river I do believe.I think you should be more concerned with your own range than villains in spots like these. And if you aren’t jamming the top of your range here then you have problems.
This is basic game theory stuff that I’m still learning, but Andrew’s range construction series covers this.
Flop check is OK I think, but would bet the turn.
It’s not like he’s checking it last to act, he’s just wondering if he can get more value by check-raising. I agree though that OP is sorely lacking in analysis of what he’s representing or how he’d play other hands in his range. This strikes me as a line he’d only ever take with a monster. Granted this is a tough board to get paid no matter what, but I’d either bet or check-call turn, the check-raise seems too hard to balance.
September 1, 2012
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Have to bet something on the river, because he is not value betting thin on the river and unlikely to bluff his missed draws since you showed strength on the turn.
I agree that his range looks very weak, so I’d bet 7k ish and hope for thin call.
September 14, 2014
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Yeah, I doubt i’d take this line as a bluff. What about a hand like JQ KJ KQ with a diamond we could put those in our bluff range , I could c/r those ott and shove river when we miss. we could represent the flush if we shove river with the missed draw and our bluff target would be Tx and maybe even weaker Ax hands which could be in v bet/c range ott.
thoughts on that?
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December 6, 2012
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You’d be better off just betting flop or turn with those.
September 14, 2014
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True, but if our flop bet is called we could still c/r here can’t we? question is will v fold Ax ..if we shove river , i don’t think 5x will be in their range , so we don’t have to worry about trips. If v does call the c/r ott that’s likely going to indicate they have a marginal hand. Would you consider a hand like K5s marginal ott, i’d say its rather strong but im not to sure if its marginal. anyhow If they had a flush ott , especially weaker flushes like 89s/JTs they’d probably get that in ott so when they call monsters will be highly discounted.
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