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flopped set in multiway pot. Proceed how?
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October 16, 2015 - 6:06 pm
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Poker Stars $5+$5+$1 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t75/t150 Blinds + t20 – 9 players

Hero (BTN): t4528 M = 11.18
SB: t6300 M = 15.56
BB: t4660 M = 11.51
UTG: t7100 M = 17.53
UTG+1: t9219 M = 22.76
UTG+2: t7325 M = 18.09
MP1: t7973 M = 19.69
MP2: t3416 M = 8.43
CO: t13018 M = 32.14

Pre Flop: (t405) Hero is BTN with Ac 2c
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t300, 1 fold, MP1 calls t300, MP2 calls t300, 1 fold, Hero calls t300, SB calls t225, 1 fold

Flop: (t1830) As Td Ah (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero ?

No reads on specific players. But alot of crazy plays though from all around.
I want to to know how to proceed with this hand? flop and potential turn action? How much heat can this hand take? Can you lay down sets in these tournaments?

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Cbet on the smaller side, you can have QJ/KQ in your range here and some Tx. Probably put KJ, maybe KT, in your check back range. Need to put some Aces in it too, perhaps ones that block the broadway draw and have backdoors themselves. 

Evaluate turn, but in general you have the nuts 😀 get it in. 

Sure you can lay down sets, but we’ll need some more information about the hand to comment on that.

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This is one of the preferred outcomes with wheel aces, so if you’re going to play them this way, you have to follow through. One reason to raise the button pre is to knock out the ace-rag in MP2’s range, besides balancing your 3-bet range. But suited wheel aces may not be the right kind of hand to balance your 3-bet range. Still learning that myself.

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joelshitshow said
This is one of the preferred outcomes with wheel aces, so if you’re going to play them this way, you have to follow through. One reason to raise the button pre is to knock out the ace-rag in MP2’s range, besides balancing your 3-bet range. But suited wheel aces may not be the right kind of hand to balance your 3-bet range. Still learning that myself.

Just because you got a good flop doesn’t mean you have to bet, if that’s what you’re saying. I actually think this is a pretty good hand to check, though I may be underestimating just how loose $10 players will be. If V check calls all the way, though, I have trouble seeing A2 still being the best hand when that third bet gets called.

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Spots like this take me back to one of Andrew’s series on getting value.  I forget the name of the series.  But you have to recognize which hands are you going to attempt to get value from.  Your hand at this point is a monster.  What hands are you hoping to get to pay 3 streets of value?  TX hands might give you two streets.  

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I agree that 3 streets of value may not be reasonable to expect, regardless of how the board runs out. I’m betting to get value from broadways with 10s in them and medium pocket pairs. If I get check-raised, I’m assuming it’s another ace unless I’ve been active, which could mean Tx as well.

What adjustments make sense if there’s a flush draw on the flop? Do you check behind so you don’t get check-raised by a flush draw or better ace?

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You can get a bet or two out of a 10 on future streets, it doesn’t have to happen on the flop.

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Thanks for the answers!

I bet half pot on the flop to reduce villains. He checked turn. (turn: 4c) 

At this moment i decided to check turn and instead valuebet river / call any bet.

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Good turn decision. The “reduce Villains” logic doesn’t really make sense to me, though. You should think in terms of specific hands you are trying to cause people to fold/call/raise rather than just “I’d like less people in this pot.” Someone in the pot holding 97o is no threat to you. Someone with KQ is a small threat. Someone with AK is a big problem, but of course that won’t fold. You can’t cause “opponents” to fold, you can only cause specific hands to fold.

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