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me and villain had it out for one another. he was tryn his best to out play me and i was tryn my best to out play him. this particular hand it looked as if i had my chance. altho after reviewing the hand, i think i lost a ton of value in this hand. wt could i have don differently? or is the outcome pretty much the same. if i call raise, do i check turn and see if he fires, which i dont think he does unless he has 44 or Jx. i know only better hands are calling and i felt like i needed to know right then. was that the wrong thought process. is any1 else having problems with the converter
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Absolute/UB Cereus Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) – Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($62144)
MP2 ($46561)
MP3 ($63598)
CO ($42811)
Button ($60552)
SB ($66052)
BB ($61767)
Hero (UTG) ($61106)
UTG+1 ($16466)
Blinds: 1K – 2K, 200antes
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K
, J
Hero bets $4355, 5 folds, Button calls $4355, 2 folds
Flop: ($8713) 4, J
, J
(2 players)
Hero bets $5955, Button raises to $15910, Hero raises to $35555, 1 fold
Total pot: $40533
July 3, 2010
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Paired boards play aggressively. You probably got max value. You can click it back to make your reraise smaller or you can flat and check but doubt either of those get more chips into the pot. He had air.
IMO, if you raise you gotta shove, make it look like you want him off the hand. There is a fine line b/w giving him the chance to come over top of you and shoving. This raise you are committed, which to me looks like you want him to come over the top. Shove and make it look like you want the last word in.
Other than that I like a flat and then check on turn. Then you can choose to check/raise depending on how threatening the turn card is.
I guess this is a matter of balancing ur range here… so either play is fine… only thing I don't like is ur bet size, you raised too much, leaving him no space to spew…
I don't know how u play 88,99 here, but with KJ in this spot I would try to rep those hands, and go for check/call line the whole way, letting him to fire all three streets with air, since u have history with this guy and he tries to outplay you constantly…
June 25, 2010
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if he is trying to outplay you, i would flat, then check call turn, make tiny river bet so he puts in a big raise with air to try and take the pot. The min river bet is actually not a bad play to have in the arsenal. I almost never use it, but i think it's perfect in this spot. Anyone else use that strategy?
I've used the play live when stack sizes made it tempting for my villain to try to take the pot away from me on the river, but more like a 1\4-1\3 of the pot bet designed to look like a blocking bet thus inducing the bluff. In the crappy micro stakes mtts I play online I've actually had more success with ridiculous overbet shuvs getting looked up very light (like 3rd pair) when I have monsters. It seems in the micros villians percieve min bets as value bets and let curiosity get the best of them with the crazy overbets.
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March 17, 2010
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Shove…he's not getting away from an overpair here if that's what he has. if he's bluffing you he's shutting down anyways.
One thing though…i see the fact that you are trying to outplay one specific opponent as a bit of a red flag. I think it could be detrimental to focus on one specific opponent and change your game to the point where you end up making mistakes because you're getting into leveling wars.
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July 20, 2010
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i really am nitty with this hand utg or utg+1 at this point of a tourney and may muck because im resigned to the fact that i will prolly have to c bet a missed flop and have to check 4th opening myself up to be outplayed. with all that being said if i find myself in your spot i 100% just flat call the 3 bet on the flop and snap check the turn and let him hang himself and check raise allin
July 3, 2010
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RonFezBuddy said:
Shove…he's not getting away from an overpair here if that's what he has. if he's bluffing you he's shutting down anyways.
Yeah. I agree here. Anyone competent is going to be weirded out when you just flat the 3 bet here and doubt they keep pumping money into the pot. A fish might continue on with an overpair, though, so it depends on how you've read the player.
I think clicking it back again is best and do it as quickly as you can to see if you can make them spaz shove. Shoving isn't good because you'll make hands like 55-TT fold a lot.
As played the 3 bet was way too big because you didn't give him room for anything and narrowed your range to just a few holdings.
June 11, 2010
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Two thoughts I have on this one, first is (and I think that RFB noted it), I would be really really wary of making a special attempt to pick on one guy at the table and altering my play against them. I think this is way to emotional of a way to play and opens you up to so many potential mistakes trying to be cute/clever that it will hurt in the long run. Second, I think there is a solid case to dry shove the flop and make it look like you are trying to blow him off the hand, I think if he is bluffing he is gone, but any PP and especially an overpair will call you thinking you are full of crap.
July 3, 2010
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Dry shove 56k into an appx. 10k pot? So what are we repping to blow him off the pot? And why would we even do it?
I call his raise check turn and let him barrel again and then come over the top. If he checks behind on turn I value bet river. Its going to be hard to get stacks in on this board, we probably wont and I doubt we get three streets out of it as well. Thats why I think we let him take another stab with air or a second best hand, if he has us beat it will go in by the river no matter what.
June 11, 2010
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FkCoolers said:
Dry shove 56k into an appx. 10k pot? So what are we repping to blow him off the pot? And why would we even do it?
I think this is a stiuation where the type of player and the level you playing at makes all the difference in the world. At any higher stake this is a stupid maneuver at best, at the micro level, so many players treat this as a bluff attempt and will just snap call with any over and most PP's assuming their are good. I think there is a lot of room for really unorthodox moves at this level because of the odd responses you get from some many of the players.
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