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What to do here? The villian was pretty aggressive pre-flop, raising a lot of hands. I 3-bet him pre once & he folded (should probably have been doing that more). This was a real small MTT “home game” & this was the final 9 players… I was the chip leader at the time…
Should I have 3-bet pre with 88 from the button with 34.5 BBs?
As played, on such a draw-heavy flop, should I just shove over top of his lead-out? Put in a non all-in raise? Should I be at all worried about his hand? Since he was so active pre, I figured he could have just about anything – maybe QJ or a flush draw or something along those lines…..
Thanks!
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t40/t80 Blinds + t10 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
MP1: BB = 44.3, t3540
MP2: BB = 2.9, t235
CO: BB = 15.3, t1225
Hero (BTN): BB = 34.5, t2760
SB: BB = 30.0, t2400
BB: BB = 27.6, t2205
UTG: BB = 20.5, t1640
UTG+1: BB = 26.3, t2100
UTG+2: BB = 23.7, t1895
Pre Flop: (t210) Hero is BTN with 8
8
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t240, 4 folds, Hero calls t240, 2 folds
Flop: (t690) 6
8
J (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t480, Hero ???
I think calling here and then shoving over any bet he makes on turn is probably our best bet.
June 25, 2010
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i might just go call call call, unless the turn is a heart, then shoving the turn is probably best i would say.
Cougars – are you thinking calling here & shoving over a turn bet is the best way to get it all in? Is that the goal? He'll be at 1860 on the turn with a pot of 1650, so if he leads out for 800 or so he'll only have 1000 left & would probably be priced in to a call, which I assume is what we want…. We're not at all worried about what he has or what the board may bring on the turn?
Jshilling – are we shoving if a third heart comes to represent the flush & get him to fold? Or do we do it because we have no heart & don't want to see a 4th one on the river? You thinking call call call to let him hang himself, or for pot control?
Just trying to understand the reasoning better – thanks!
I like Cougars line. His most likely hands include a J, some sort of straight draw, or maybe a flush draw. By taking cougars line you let him hang himself if he wants to semi-bluff the turn again or value bet a hand like QJ-AJ. I don't think you should be concerned about his hand too much, if he flopped a set of jacks so be it and even if a scare card comes on the turn and you end up getting it in behind you still have outs. You asked about the goal and the goal is definitely to get it in, you just don't want to blow him off his hand by jamming the flop when he has complete air or a weak draw that he might bet again on the turn. At least that's my thoughts.
June 25, 2010
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swayzack said:
Cougars – are you thinking calling here & shoving over a turn bet is the best way to get it all in? Is that the goal? He'll be at 1860 on the turn with a pot of 1650, so if he leads out for 800 or so he'll only have 1000 left & would probably be priced in to a call, which I assume is what we want…. We're not at all worried about what he has or what the board may bring on the turn?
Jshilling – are we shoving if a third heart comes to represent the flush & get him to fold? Or do we do it because we have no heart & don't want to see a 4th one on the river? You thinking call call call to let him hang himself, or for pot control?
Just trying to understand the reasoning better – thanks!
With stacks this short shoving the turn is fine, he will probably pick up random gutter or OESD equity because this board is so connected with any 2 random hearts he has so I doubt he folds. I was under the impression for some reason you 34bbs effective, but now i see it's just 26bbs so he will be so pot committed on the turn shoving is fine. Definitely call flop though, raising is way too strong. Let him overbet jam the turn w/ a draw or something.
I jam it on the flop. If he's on a heart draw most likely its with two overs and he's gonna call. If he's got an overpair he's most likely gonna put you on the draw and call. If he's got air (ak or aq) if doesn't hit on the turn he most likely going to shut down at that point anyways. JJ is a cooler but never gonna stop me from trying to stack someone in this spot. Get paid or go get laid. How can you lose?
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