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November 4, 2013
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Good morning,
The situation is a small 2$ R/A .. I have n=296 on the villain playing 18/16, 4% 3bet, 80% cbet, 41% steal, 82% fold to steal, 8% resteal, 2% limp
During heads up, a min raise open was his most common move, though he did open fold and open shove some. He did not open limp except maybe once. After a while this hand happened
Merge Network $300 Gtd – [+R, Turbo] No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t6000.00/t12000.00 Blinds + t1200.00 – 2 players – View hand 2536451
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Cinch22 (BTN/SB): BB = 28.0, t336076
Hero (BB): BB = 16.2, t194924
Pre Flop: (t20400) Hero is BB with 8
Q
Cinch22 raises to t24000.00, Hero calls t12000
Flop: (t50400) 5 3 J (2 players)
I bet because I felt it would seem like a stab trying to represent the real hand
Hero bets t21000.00, Cinch22 raises to t45000.00
How do you respond here? I've gotten him to try my honesty about the clubs. Unfortunately I don't have the nuts and could become farther vulverable to the nuts. This makes me want to just get it in. But I don't want to scare him off because this could be the turning point of the match.
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January 16, 2014
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This is not a good slowplaying spot. There's just too much he can call with. There's all the monsters; sets, 2p, lower flushes. I'm sure he'll call with almost any pair + club. He may call with top pair, and also the nacked Ac. Andrew Brokos has a good series on value betting you may want to check out. Basically if you had a hand like top set on a dry board, there's very few hands the villian would give more action to so slow playing is good. But in general calling to keep the customers in is just not the way you want to be thinking. Plus if you think about it calling looks super strong, probably stronger than shoving.
Another good thing here is you protect your stabs. Usually when you donk stab you prefer to take the pot down right then and there. In future hands when you stab he'll be much more likely to call or fold instead of raise.
November 4, 2013
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Hmmm, I see your point if he is in fact calling my shove with all those hands. But I kinda figured he would fold middle pair with a club and also top pair top kicker without a club. He'd call with top pair and a good club, probably. Two pair seems unlikely because the board is so low.
I figured he could have complete air at least 20% of the time. This 20% of the time I am getting no more chips by shoving whereas since I did bet and he raised small, he could continue donating chips depending on what happens later. I wonder how strong a call really would look as I feel it could represent semi bluffed flush draws, some mid pairs and pair+flush draw hands. I think a shove looks at least pretty strong, I mean right? it's not exactly weak to lead out on this flop and pile back into him over his raise, which is why I wonder how many calls it would get me.
I didn't give the villain much reason to believe I would tilt off my whole stack on a bluff out of sheer “yay I'm winning omg” mindset or anything. This was a reasonably extended HU match (for a turbo) where I started off behind and only ever made it as good as about 40:60 to his stack.
Yes if I just call he could out draw me or boat up but he could also make two pair or even a worthless top pair and think it's good depending on what he has.
Hero raises to t169724 all in, Cinch22 folds
So I did in fact shove and he folded quickly.
Thank you for your response JD. I have recently watched the Brokos videos on getting value but I do wonder if this situation could have warranted a call. I fully acknowledge your point that he really could call my shove here with hands like TPTK or worse. Also thank you for the point about protecting stabs.
Can I ask for a confirming opinion that shoving here is likely the best move?
May 20, 2013
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In this heads-up spot, I am going to flat the re-raise so he thinks I have a club draw. On the turn, if a non club comes I am getting it in. If he bets I’ll shove over top. If he checks I’ll shove as a bluffy lookin line.
But if a club falls, I’ll call down. I don’t want his TP or 2pair or even Ac to escape to easily. Does his raise pre flop indicate any more strength that usual? If so, then I would shove flop instead.
October 21, 2013
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Imo you have many different lines here:
you can shove
you can call his raise and donk shove turn
you can call his raise and bet small turn (to call off obv)
you can call his raise and check turn (i dont like this option much cause he ll check back a lot and turn and/or river can freeze action )
THE ONLY THING YOU MUST NOT DO IS TO CLICK 3BET HIM OTF =)
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August 25, 2012
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You're just not deep enough here to have much maneuverability. You could flat the raise if you felt like he was especially wide, but when only 16bb deep there's just not much room for playability. Your options here are flat or shove, and I would shove, since flatting looks quite strong. The only time I would be more inclined to flat is if the villain were particularly aggressive and we thought he had a wider raising range on the flop.
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