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flop top two and facing a jam on turn????
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July 18, 2010 - 8:36 pm
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dont know much about the villain. after flopping top two on all club flop i decided to check back in pos. funny situation because i dont put him on made clubs but possibly drwing to them. when i reraise his turn bet and he insta jams over me and i get totally freaked. could not make the call. wt was my best play here TPE

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Poker Stars $4.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25/t50 Blinds – 8 players

Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

litli bob (BTN): BB = 41.0, t2052

Tenzor333 (SB): BB = 46.9, t2345

Cactusman07 (BB): BB = 27.5, t1375

STPAggressiv (UTG): BB = 24.2, t1210

Mccoy8889 (UTG+1): BB = 52.5, t2623

LValdemar (MP1): BB = 24.7, t1235

the boss2156 (MP2): BB = 36.3, t1815

BJIZZLE44 (CO): BB = 93.1, t4655

Pre Flop: (t75) BJIZZLE44 is CO with A[Image Can Not Be Found] T[Image Can Not Be Found]

4 folds, BJIZZLE44 raises to t150, 1 fold, Tenzor333 calls t125, 1 fold

Flop: (t350) 3[Image Can Not Be Found] A[Image Can Not Be Found] T[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players)

Tenzor333 checks, BJIZZLE44 checks

Turn: (t350) Q[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players)

Tenzor333 bets t300, BJIZZLE44 raises to t785, Tenzor333 raises to t2195 all in, BJIZZLE44 folds

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   You either have him beat or he has you beat.  Checking to you after the flop was the right call for him, he was out of position and wanted to see  the strength of your hand. I would have made a bet there because you probably have him beat with two pair. However, he liked the queen on the turn. It is possible he has QQ, QA, or if your lucky Qx. I think his check on the flop was to see if his queen was good because of the Ace on the board. Because you do not have enough information on him and you are not loosing a lot I would fold here. If you knew he was playing very loose then I may take another approach. You needed to make a good bet after the flop in my opinion.

 

 

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You have to bet that flop IMO. Otherwise you just make it hard for you to know what to do on the turn and river.

If we bet flop and he calls……then we could check back the turn and call a smallish bet on river.

if we bet flop and he raises…..then jamming becomes +ev in my head because I think we would be ahead of most of his check/raise range and the times he isn't drawing and already has the flush we have at least a few outs to get there.

 

Checking behind at these levels with top two is bad I think. I think the hand becomes so much easier to play by betting the flop.

 

As played I think I'm ok with a fold there.

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i bet the flop also, but the way you played it i think it is a call.  Unless the guy is a reg this could be any ace, and A3 is a defiantly possibility.  He re raises AQ some of the time, QQ everytime, so the only realistic hand that has you beat and is played like this pre is KJ, and considering the chips in the pot already I think it's a call.

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jshilling09 said:

i bet the flop also, but the way you played it i think it is a call.  Unless the guy is a reg this could be any ace, and A3 is a defiantly possibility.  He re raises AQ some of the time, QQ everytime, so the only realistic hand that has you beat and is played like this pre is KJ, and considering the chips in the pot already I think it's a call.


 

Don't forget the times that villan has the flush already and checked expecting us to lead out……so there are a more than just the kj pre imo.

I'm 50/50 on calling or folding……I think I fold there a lot, but can see the case to call because of the dead money.

 

I think the biggest thing to get out of this HH though is the importance of betting that flop and narrowing his range for us to make a more informed decision…..as is we really have no clue where we are because we didn't make villan make a decision on the flop.

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