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Flop top pair, facing check raise.
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May 24, 2011 - 7:33 pm
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$2 1R/1A, no specific reads other than stats posted.

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600/t1200 Blinds + t150 – 8 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

UTG: BB = 30.6, t36779
UTG+1: BB = 40.1, t48063
Hero (MP1): BB = 21.5, t25784
MP2: BB = 30.5, t36650
CO: BB = 67.0, t80380
BTN: BB = 40.8, t48962
SB: BB = 99.3, t119179
BB: BB = 37.4, t44911 (Stats 25/20/12.5)

Pre Flop: (t3000) Hero is MP1 with J of hearts A of spades
2 folds, Hero raises to t2400, 4 folds, BB calls t1200

Flop: (t6600) 4 of hearts 5 of diamonds A of diamonds (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t2950, BB raises to t6100, Hero ??

How much do you c-bet here and do you get it in when raised?

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May 24, 2011 - 11:08 pm
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I'd do my usual c bet around 45-55% pot with my entire range repping an A

 

Bet fold when we miss

 

In this spot c betting 1/2 pot is ideal b/c it gives him the illusion of FE and he'll spew with Ax's and way too many draws out there for us to fold

 

get it in, we're ahead of his reshove range

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May 25, 2011 - 12:10 am
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I'm getting it in here….. If he's flushing, charge him top $$$!!! It's a fairly small c/r as well…….

 

With stat's of 25/20/12.5, I'd expect him to 3bet with AK/AQ etc vs your 21xBB stack and get it in preflop etc

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May 25, 2011 - 3:05 am
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A couple of questions i would ask myself here.

– Does he think we have the ace given our line? – probably

– Does he think we're folding our ace to the small c/raise? – probably not

 

so if our range is well defined and he doesn't want/expect that we're folding the ace, what does he have?

 

If i was to breakdown his range in this spot i would expect almost every 44,55,A5,A4,54 to do this and some A2, A3, 4dxd, 6x7x. AK and AQ would probably 3bet pre with his stats. I dont see much else out there other than the odd bluff

 

The problem for me is, would you really c/raise this small (click it back almost) with a flush draw, or any draw, knowing your opponent has an ace most likely? – No.

 

For me your either crushed or facing a spewtard who is misplaying/bluffing his weaker hand/draw. I don't see what value you get from shoving, your always getting called by the hands your crushed by (majority of his range imo) and sometimes folding out his draw/weaker aces/bluffs.

 

I know you only have a pot sized stack left, but i would flat and evaluate in position in case he is a spewtard/bluffing. Im probably folding to a turn shove

 

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May 25, 2011 - 11:53 am
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Very good analysis Goliath.

Two things that should have made me think was his flat pre which according to his stats was uncharacteristic (active 3 bettor) and the fact he basially clicks back on the flop.

We ended up allin and he had AK. I'm not sure I could have done much different except maybe check back the flop and try to see a cheap SD. Pretty hard to get away from it after the flop and following action.

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May 25, 2011 - 12:55 pm
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with that stacksize in that position i wouldnt open ajo pre

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May 25, 2011 - 1:05 pm
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i jam pre to pick up blinds and antes. given as played, i am cbetting always and getting it in with that stack

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May 28, 2011 - 2:08 pm
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With 5 players left to act and a 20bb stack I'd only openshove AQ+, 99+ and fold all other hands. Maybe raise AA/KK to pick off spewers depending on our preveious actions (have we shoved 20bb before or did we raise hands when we had 25bb+ stack) and image.

As played I'm not getting away from AJ here although were mostly crushed by what appears to be a solid player.

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May 28, 2011 - 6:03 pm
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Couple of options

either shove pre, 21bb is a bit big but theres ante's so its not horrible – only issue is kinda over repping ur hand a litte ie A10 folds to our bet most of the time unless its a super spaz.

 

cbet bigger should be standard around 55%-60% of pot and when he reraises you click all in so quickly that you nearly strain your mouse finger . You started with 21bb, dont look for excuses to fold the winning hand.

 

Also to the person saying does he think we have an ace “probably”, theres a chance you might be giving cbets on an A high flop too much credit.

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May 29, 2011 - 3:06 am
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I also cbet 55 to 60% get it in here. I’m rarely folding AJ on this board starting the hand with 21bigs.

I wouldn’t look to far into him clicking it back majority of the time he’s some random donk with no idea on sizing and optimal lines.

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May 29, 2011 - 8:03 am
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agree sizing and optimal lines are something that not a lot of micro stake players know, or even care about (thats exactly how we become better players by discussing and posting in these forums!)

whether it's a min raise, a 3x, or a check shove i'm probably still gettin it in here

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