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Flop play after 4betting ATo
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September 13, 2015 - 5:08 am
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This is an $11 ACR freezeout. 

This is the fourth or fifth time villain has 3bet me at this table. 

Given that information, maybe ATo can be a call here, as I don’t think it is absurd to put worse suited tens or aces in his range. I don’t expect it to play super easy post flop however. 

ATo is the best hand I’d think twice about folding here. I decided to turn my hand into a bluff. A couple questions. 

 

How’s my sizing pre? 

What is the post flop plan? 

If effective stacks were shorter,  or had raised slightly larger pre, jamming the flop seems nice. 😀

What do we do if villain checks and turn is a brick?

 

Thank you!

 

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) – 30/60 NL – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 3,839 (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 46)
Hero (CO): 5,348
BTN: 5,200 (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 13.13, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 101)
SB: 4,940 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 6,140 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
UTG: 4,891 (VPIP: 22.61, PFR: 10.91, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 118)
UTG+1: 4,800 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
MP: 4,380 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 32)

SB posts SB 30, BB posts BB 60

Pre Flop: (pot: 90) Hero has Aclub Tspade

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 180, BTN raises to 660, fold, fold, Hero raises to 1,444, BTN calls 784

Flop: (2,978, 2 players) 5heart 4club 3club
Hero

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I don’t think the fact that V has 3-bet you before should influence your range terribly much. Against a large button 3-bet, ATo should be a pretty standard fold. Just because he could have worse doesn’t change the fact that he has all combos of better, and there are a lot of combos of better. I don’t hate 4-betting, it’s better than folding, but I think suited Ace combos are better, and if you do it with lots of suited Aces plus ATo, you are going to end up with a really weak/wide 4-betting range. Spazzing into aggressive 3-betters does not really punish them. Often, in fact, it gives them exactly what they want.

As played, I think bet smallish (~1K) planning to fold to a shove or to jam most turns if called.

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Thank you for the thoughts! 

Very clear path forward for me on this topic. 

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What Andrew said. Just adding that, based on the HUD stats, half of his 3-bets are against you. Either he has a read on you or you’re just unlucky.

If you had 1,000 hands on him, he had only 20 3-bets, but 10 were against you (just throwing numbers out there), I’d be much more inclined to 4-bet here.

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Joel,

Are you assuming V has 3-bet 9 times because his 3-bet is 9% over 100 hands? Because that’s not what the 3-bet number measures. It’s (number of 3-bets)/(number of opportunities to 3-bet). So in pots where no one raised in front of him, he didn’t have a chance to 3-bet, and that hand won’t count towards the denominator.

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That makes a lot more sense. Thanks!

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