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Marsh345
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October 25, 2013 - 12:08 pm
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This is my first post and im fairly new to the mtt world so be patient please. We are in the final 20 ish people of a small buy in tournament when this hand occurs. Both in the top 10 of chips. I didnt have many reads on the opponent other than his stats. I would appreciate peoples opinions on this as to what they would have done given this scenario. 

 

Pacific No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t/t Blinds – 7 players – View hand 2337749
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Hero (BB): t61635 1 BBs – VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 13893
Player3 (UTG): t44006 1 BBs – VPIP: 23, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 22
Player4 (UTG+1): t20824 1 BBs – VPIP: 16, PFR: 5, 3B: 5, AF: 0.8, Hands: 44
Player5 (MP): t42340 1 BBs – VPIP: 33, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 21
Player6 (CO): t55100 1 BBs – VPIP: 21, PFR: 9, 3B: 15, AF: 2.0, Hands: 34
Player7 (BTN): t50548 1 BBs – VPIP: 17, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 46
Player9 (SB): t33398 1 BBs – VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19

Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BB with K of clubs J of clubs
4 folds, Player7 calls t0, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, Player7 calls t1200

Flop: (t2400) A of clubs K of diamonds J of spades (2 players)
Hero checks, Player7 bets t48028, Hero calls t48028

Turn: (t98456) 3 of hearts (2 players)

River: (t98456) 6 of hearts (2 players)

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I'd call and assume it was a misclick or something.

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Yea i did think it must have been either that or him just spewing as never had ak in his range. But some micro players do play very strangely.

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yes seems very strange but dont think im ever folding.

 

result?

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I'm not sure I read it correctly. Does the villain limp-call then just shove flop?

In my experience of micro stakes cash games, villain could have 2 pair here – AJ, KJ or maybe even a stragiht with QT. I think he puts you on an Ace as you raised him pre, then just shoves hoping you call with AQ or AT?

 

This is “very bad player – micro stakes mentality” but I've seen players play big hands this way alot. In the micros, some players either massively slow play 3 streets to check raise the first sign of strength and others do the opposite – make ridiculous value bets that only get called by better. This is obviously all terrible but I played 150,000 hands of 10nl/25nl in past 4 months and I've seen some horrific play recently.

 

IMO you can only beat a misclick, I don't think he ever plays AQ this way.

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In my part of the world this means nut-type hands 90-95% of the time.

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FWIW, the people who limp pre are also the same people who bet ridiculously big for value or slowplay to the last moment to c/r first sign of strength – He could even have KK or JJ imo. I think he would slowplay top set here though, I think the key point is that he puts you on an Ace and shoves thinking you won't fold

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November 5, 2013 - 5:07 pm
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I’m with MD on this. Didn’t see your post before mine tho.

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will be very interested to see result here :popcorn:

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November 5, 2013 - 6:55 pm
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Dam I need some popcorn. My moneys on AJ

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November 6, 2013 - 1:31 am
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Yea given his stats of 17/0 its impossible to rule anything out lol. I agree it looks really strong to me. Unless there is an all in button its really hard for this to be a misclick.

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Hi guys thanks for all your thoughts i didnt have a clue at the time what he could be doing this with but i have seen it done a couple of other times since at micros. To put you all out of your misery you were right in predicting the strength he had AK which i would never of put him on just limp/calling pre and then to just jam. But i jst didnt think i could ever fold that against a player such as this

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