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Flop decision huge draw oop in $1650 ME
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$1650 ME deepstack tourney starting stack 50k 40m levels day 1

level 300/600/600 

villain covers

hero (42k) utg with 9Jdd opens to 1300. Villain utg+1 3b to 4200. Folds around. Hero calls.  Should be a fold but I called. 

Flop Kd-Tc-7d. 

Hero (38k) checks. Villain bets 7k into 10k. Hero?

Little history… Earlier I opened JJ (no diamonds) utg and same villain called. It went multiway w button and bb. Flop 732 two diamonds I cbet 1200 into 4600 villain raised to 2800 button called bb folded and I raised to 6400. Villain reraises to 20,000. Button folds. Villain stands up and starts yapping away saying this is a man’s game etc etc. I tank folded. 

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Agree this should be a fold to the 3b. As played, pretend you have TT or 77 and proceed accordingly. This is a spot where you have very few value hands, which means very few bluffs. However, you do have a *few* value hands, which means you get a very few bluffs, and this is one of the best candidates. I’d check-raise an amount that sets up a turn shove.

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Foucault said
Agree this should be a fold to the 3b. As played, pretend you have TT or 77 and proceed accordingly. This is a spot where you have very few value hands, which means very few bluffs. However, you do have a *few* value hands, which means you get a very few bluffs, and this is one of the best candidates. I’d check-raise an amount that sets up a turn shove.  

I feel like i have an awkward stack. If I check raise to an amount that sets up a turn shove, do I shove all turns?  Do I have any fold equity on the turn when I miss given the pot odds?  Would I ever check fold the turn?  Is check shoving the flop something to be considered?  What are the pros and cons of check raising vs check shoving?  Do I get additional fold equity?

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I don’t think you’re deep enough to do anything other than shove the turn after check-raising flop. Even if you minraise the flop (and I usually prefer going bigger), you’ll reach the turn with 24k behind and 38k in the middle. You’re not likely to get a lot of folds but you’ll usually have at least 30% equity, which makes your shove profitable even if villain never folds. I think check-shoving the flop is fine too, given villain’s large sizing I think it’s reasonable with most of your continue range.

I’ll often check-call flop planning to check-shove turn with huge draws (and hands like top two or sets), but I think villain’s large bet sizing makes that line less appealing at this stack depth.

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