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Flatting KK late stages(merge $10r DS)
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September 13, 2012 - 8:44 pm
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Sorry about the raw HH but couldn't convert for some reason :(. My thought was, bttn and SB are both very capable of a squeeze(IMO), and I've been on the tighter side, so a 3-bet would look too strong(IDK, maybe leveling myself)?? Thoughts on hand?

 

 

Merge Game #61023181-200 (Tournament) | Holdem NL | 2012/09/13 20:23:57 -0400 | Version:1
Table $1,750 Guaranteed – Deepstack Unlimited Rebuys and Addon , 60999848, Seats 9 (Tournament: $1,750 Guaranteed – Deepstack Unlimited Rebuys and Addon , 60999848 Buy-In: $0+$0.00)
Seat 3: upay4mytreezz ($46,976.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 4: ImFlushstraighted ($54,951.00 in chips)
Seat 5: xXjuzzmeXx ($50,183.00 in chips)
Seat 6: KidKrAfty ($30,100.00 in chips)
Seat 7: Jazzzyyy ($46,422.00 in chips)
Seat 8: hardcoreUFO ($28,636.00 in chips)
Seat 9: CajunWizards ($53,944.00 in chips)
upay4mytreezz: Post Ante $100.00
ImFlushstraighted: Post Ante $100.00
xXjuzzmeXx: Post Ante $100.00
KidKrAfty: Post Ante $100.00
Jazzzyyy: Post Ante $100.00
hardcoreUFO: Post Ante $100.00
CajunWizards: Post Ante $100.00
ImFlushstraighted: Post SB $500.00
xXjuzzmeXx: Post BB $1,000.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CajunWizards [Kd Ks]
KidKrAfty: Fold
Jazzzyyy: Fold
hardcoreUFO: Raise $2,000.00
CajunWizards: Call $2,000.00
upay4mytreezz: Call $2,000.00
ImFlushstraighted: Call $1,500.00
xXjuzzmeXx: Fold
*** FLOP *** [Td 4s 9c]
ImFlushstraighted: Check
hardcoreUFO: Bet $4,850.00
CajunWizards: Raise $9,700.00  

upay4mytreezz: Fold
ImFlushstraighted: Fold
hardcoreUFO: Allin $21,686.00
CajunWizards: Call $16,836.00- Can I fold, ever??!!

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September 14, 2012 - 12:59 am
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Would def. 3bet pre. To isolate and for value. Last
Thing you want is a 4 way pot.

As far as the shove, good chance it’s a set, but if villain is spewy, you could be ahead too. He could be shoving kq or qj or qq or jj or a10/a9. Really no way of having a feel for it with the way it’s played, I think. I MIGHT find a fold here, but I doubt it. Im most likely
Making a crying call here

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September 14, 2012 - 2:04 am
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Your hand is so under rep. here that it's no way I'm folding. Plus, there is @ 50k in the pot and only 17k for u only have to be good @ 20% of the time here.

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r/f KK there is really illogical on the flop, if you dont want to r/c then just flat to keep his range wider, but id be 3b/calling pre for what its worth

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Also, giving that you haven’t been 3 betting at the table coupled with your (strong?) read of the players behind I like the flat here. If the opener liked to call 3bets oop though I would go ahead a take that value first by 3 betting rather than sacrificing it for the potential value of inducing a squeeze.

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Not sure I can say either is really too bad, given how deep myself/ppl behind were. Personally I like the deception of flatting when I havn't been 3-betting a ton, and 3b pre when i've been more aggro. Just wanted some different POVs', thanks! I really need to start talking/reviewing more hands…..good to be back!

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September 15, 2012 - 8:13 am
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Hi punkin! First, welcome back.

upay4mytreezz is mostly TAG/nitty IMO so I'm not expecting much out of him. ImFlushStraighted could, but it's not really a good spot for him to do it. 

I like flatting my big hands vs. opens in EP/MP way more since obv. there are more people behind to spazz and if I decide to flat I always make sure there is at least one good reshove stack or 1 or 2 LAGgy players behind me so it doesn't turn into a 5 way doltfest on the flop. 

Doubt I ever go away on the flop since JQ and 87 and stuff like that are in our flatting range and he would also ship on us with JJ and QQ. I'd probably flat flop and get it in on turn, though. 

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