“The hypothetical question here: Do we have a flat calling range in this exact spot?
–> I think not, maybe with KK or AA if we're trapping & expect our opp not to perceive this to be very strong”
why would you not have a flat call range here? I am only investing 1 BB to defend my blind. I dont really like 3 betting KJs that often and seems too strong to fold. With 20-30BB and for 1 more BB, I should defend with hands that may flop well. I may 3-bet AA sometimes, but I might also 3bet ATo or a middle pair depending on his range.
Is your conjecture that you want to be 3-betting here all the time?
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December 6, 2012
I think I just wouldn't have a flatting range here, though if I did these suited broadways are about the best candidates for it. I could see flatting against some of the super-predictable opponents you consider. Also there's a big difference between a 21BB stack and a 30BB stack, I could see flatting with more like 30 behind. I could also maybe see flatting if you had the BN, as there's less concern about a raise behind you.
JacquetK said:
ltcolumbo said: ltcolumbo said: Thanks for your response!
I think you might have misread the situation: we're not in the BB – I'd definitely defend getting over 3,5 to 1 – with a hand that flops well like KJs, but we're in MP & was wondering if in this exact spot we have a flat calling range? And if not, what (opponent, effective stack size, our hand,… )would have to change for us to have a flat calling range here.
ah, my mistake. Yeah, RARELY have a flatting range here unless its for effect. i.e. just to confuse a particular opponent. But I would have to be deeper, at least 30 BB.
February 20, 2013
The OP that suggests calling pre and even floating a flop cbet with 21bbs seems really spewy. Any flat with this stack seems very optimistic. The problem is the 35% of the time we do hit something to go with, too often we are just drawing or dominated. 30bb flats seem much better.
For the same price of the flat+float, we can 3b/f 25% of our stack pre and still retain a resteal stack. Perhaps I think villain will fold pre 35%, I'll flop a pair or draw to go with 35%, and lose to 4bs and giveups 30% in a spot. Seems like a decent proposition in games where regs and fish are increasingly flatting small 3bs. What do the site pros think of this possibility?
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