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fixed limit: tournament stategy?
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May 19, 2015 - 3:31 am
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Hi TPE,

 

I'm used in playing mainly NLHE tourneys and sometimes a little pot-limit Omaha and even less 2-7 draw poker (no-limit). When it comes to fixed-limit games I've only very minor experience in Stud.

So I wonder what the general advice for the experienced no-limit hold'em tournament player is, when he is trying out a fixed-limit tournament.

I think when you are involved in a hand and hit at least something (like bottom pair OTF + backdoor Q-high-flushdraw) you mostly always have the odds to call, the more players involved the better these odds will be.

For that reason I would try to make sure to enter the pot pre with a tighter range than in a NLHE to avoid difficult decisions postflop.

Also steals from EP and MP are much less effective than in a NLHE game as we can't create much fold-equity and no real fear-equity. Is this correct thinking so far?

How do we extract value on a volatile flop with top-pair? Just bet, then check on turns that may complete a lot of draws, to call down a cheap showdown, or better fire again and give up to a raise?

My general assumption is, that bluffing spots are much rarer than in a NLHE game, as we can't create high FE. As a parallel effect we need to value bet, when ever we are sure enough to hold the best hand most of the time, because getting value is so much more difficult. And we can't afford to lose one street of value as there is no way to make up for that loss later in the hand in a fixed-limit game

Some pretty basic questions here, I feel really lost when it comes to fixed-limit strategy, so any advice is much appreciated.

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Having originally been a limit player, who has long forgotten how to play good limit poker, you seem to be on the right track. The majority of your assumptions are solid, and a really good base to be starting from. 

As you gain some experience, your range will open up a lot(the same as it does in NLHE). My ranges are actually quite similar, with the removal of only the bottom 5 – 10% from early position. I don't tend to fold any pair on the flop, because pairs are hard to hit.

The biggest thing that is going to matter even more in a limit game is reading your opponents. Obviously, I played more in the live realm, so that was a great contributing factor to my early success. There comes some really fun lines where you actually need to check a strong hand on the river to induce a bet from your opponent so that you can raise. You really need to know your opponents tendancies to maximize this, so note taking is going to be paramount.

The question about volatile flops is also going to be opponent dependant, but I take the bet/check line most often. No one folds draws. It's rare they even fold gutshot draws multi way, because they are usually getting a decent price. Most pots will be multi way, as no one likes to fold preflop in LHE.

Another major area to work on is folding. Saving every single bet you can is important when you are beat. You are often going to be getting the correct price to call, but you will still need to fold to preserve the chips, because you are so likely to be beat in that specific spot.

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You definitely want to save your bets as was pointed out. Every table just needs one player to keep everyone honest on the river, and then it doesn't have to be you. If everyone is taking pots down on the river with a single bet, you may need to turn a few hands into bluff catchers against select opponents.

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