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Five awkward spots: Fold or Shove Pre-Flop?
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July 18, 2017 - 7:12 pm
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These spots all seem pretty similar, so I rounded em all up into one post.

All-in decisions with medium-strong holdings, but with awkward stack sizes.

Since the action was straightforward, I opted out of the hand replayer texts.

Fold or Shove Pre?

[1] 100/200/20, 15bb HJ with 33, UTG 41bb min-raises, folds to me

[2] 150/300/30, 37bb HJ with TT, UTG1 12bb limp, i 3x raise, BTN 57bb shoves, folds around

[3] 150/300/30, 32bb BTN with AJd, HJ 17bb open shoves, CO folds

[4] 150/300/30, 32bb CO with A7h, i open 720, BTN jams 15bb, folds around

[5] 7-handed 250/500/50, 18bb SB with A6d, HJ 7bb open shoves, folds to me

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July 18, 2017 - 7:48 pm
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Oh Willie you are going to be asked for more information but here goes.

Fold

Fold

Call

Fold

Call

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July 18, 2017 - 9:12 pm
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Are the other players stacks around you not relevant? Did you try plugging these in to any kind of softwares??????

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There is some softwares you can buy a license and work on this ranges. Bach when I used to play sng I used SitNGo Wizard, but not sure how helpfull this will be in mtts, I have to take a look at few ones: Snap shove, holdem resources calculator, flopzilla, card runners ev, but i still didn´t, I am not sure what of this will be more helpfull to you.

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Def just get the snap shove app and it will quickly dial you in. 

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Without knowing any other info, I like smallcat’s answers (#5 is pretty close though). 

 

I also second what others say about software. Holdem Resources has a free web calc that works very well for all of the straight shove/fold/call ones, you can access it here:

 

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I haven’t used SnapShove although I know a lot of people love it. From my experience, both ICMizer and Holdem Resources calculator make great investments.

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lapp3r30 said
Def just get the snap shove app and it will quickly dial you in. 

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Would add the caveat that SnapShove (to my knowledge) doesn’t allow for exploitative calculations. So at low-stakes MTTs where almost nobody employs accurate Nash shoving ranges, you’ll need a calculator that can go a little bit further than simple Nash. There’s a lot of money left on the table by players who are content with the security that a Nash range provides.

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Also SnapShove won’t help with most of these spots because it’s primarily for looking at open shoving ranges, not for shoving over a raise. The web version contains a beta for calculating reshoves, but from the little that I’ve done with it, it didn’t seem too useful.

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1)It depends on player tendencies, are they tighter or looser than average? Probably never getting this in here though, unless villain is an utter psycho…and even then he might very well call. Fold.

2)It depends…

3)It depends, but one for SnapShove in game…close but probably a reshove I expect/ borderline. 

4)It depends…

5)It depends, Again one for a quick in game SnapShove calc. Close, borderline-fold imo. 

Foucault says:

“Also SnapShove won’t help with most of these spots because it’s primarily for looking at open shoving ranges, not for shoving over a raise. The web version contains a beta for calculating reshoves, but from the little that I’ve done with it, it didn’t seem too useful.”

If somebody has already shoved, and I am in late position, say, I use SnapShove to determine my ChipEV reshove ranges. Is this misguided?

I often wonder whether SnapShove is determining call ranges only.

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I put the questions 3 and 5 through HoldemResources. Here’s what I got:

Under ChipEV:

3 a) I assumed here that all the other players had 10bb’s. Hero (BTN) has 32 bb’s and AJd. Villain (HJ) has 17bb stack.

Hero 3bet shoves: 66+/ATo+/KQs+/ATs+

3 b) All other villains have 20 bb’s

Hero 3bet shoves: 77+/ATs+/AJo+ (slightly tighter than above)

3 c) All other villains have 30 bb’s

Hero 3bet shoves 77+/AJo+/AJs+ (slightly tighter still)

As I guessed, in all cases a 3bet shove for hero, although borderline depending on average stack size. The greater the average stack, the tighter you can 3bet shove under ChipEV.

5 a) All other villains have 10 bb’s. Villain (HJ) has 7bb’s. Hero (SB) has 18 bb’s and A6d.

Hero 3bet shoves 22+/QTs+/KTo+/K9s+/JTs+/A5o+/A2s+

5 b) All other villains have 20bb’s. Range is no different than above under Cev in this case for the larger average stack size. A6d is a solid 3bet shove, I was a little surprised by its strength. In fact more than a little surprised. The fact you have already contributed to the pot with your sb will have widened your ranges a little.

In example 3, 3bet shove ranges tighten a little the larger the average stack, so even under Cev other stack sizes are not irrelevant.

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