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"Fishmove..." - player's response to my BigDog inspired shove over donk bet
mistergj
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August 5, 2010 - 11:56 am
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Having just watched the floating theory video where BigDog never feels threatened by donks on the flop I decided to put his strategy into action.

 

Poker Stars $3.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds + t10 – 6 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

Hero (CO): BB = 105.2, t10523
BTN: BB = 60.5, t6055
SB: BB = 23.0, t2302
BB: BB = 27.4, t2742
UTG: BB = 55.8, t5581
MP: BB = 46.0, t4598

Pre Flop: (t210) Hero is CO with K of hearts A of diamonds
1 fold, BB says “stupid you”, 1 fold, hero raises to t250, 2 folds, BB calls t150

Flop: (t610) 5 of diamonds 8 of hearts 6 of diamonds (2 players)
BB bets t200, Hero raises to t10263 all in, BB calls t2282 all in

Turn: (t5574) 2 of clubs (2 players – 2 are all in)

River: (t5574) 9 of hearts (2 players – 2 are all in)

BB says “Fishmove!!!”

 

BB had 9s5s… obviously!!! So I think BigDog is right (is he ever wrong?!) when he says that villain usually has a hand that is vulnerable and he 'usually' doesn't want to go to the felt with, but would like to know where he's at. Unfortunately in this case, bottom pair and the gutshot was too much for this 'pro'.

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August 5, 2010 - 12:01 pm
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Your shove looks weak to be honest. Put in a normal sized raise instead. People will some times do that with a hand like 99-JJ but I think your average micro stakes mtt player will put you on AK/flush draw here and call with a pair or a pair and redraw.

It's also not the best flop to pull a naked bluff  on because it's so wet and a lot of people lead here with a flush draw and then decide to go with it if raised/shoved on.

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August 5, 2010 - 12:30 pm
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Your jamming way to much here it always looks like a draw or air imo.  Agree with FK this is a very bad board to be jamming on its low rags that are suited and connected.  I would have just let it go.

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Gotta agree, this board sucks to do this on as it hits really hard with most BB specials. I know I pulled a reverse move on a guy the other day who did this to me because the shove looked so weak to me. I ended up looking him up with 54s having hit my 5. If you reraise this one to something more standard I know it will make me think harder. The shove just looks like a gruesome overbet where you are just trying to blow me off my hand.

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August 6, 2010 - 12:14 am
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This is not the board where villain normally will take a stab at with air. Just fold the hand. Calling sucks too.

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August 6, 2010 - 3:55 pm
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I would raise it 2/3 of the pot, 2 barrell it on the turn and check/fold the river.

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August 6, 2010 - 4:18 pm
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palrio said:

I would raise it 2/3 of the pot, 2 barrell it on the turn and check/fold the river.


 

I would never do this. You would have way to many chips in the middle and would be long ago committed to this pot. I dont like calling and I think its close but shoving is not that bad here.  Its extreame tho its alot of chips and not necesarry. You can defenetly raise here and then fold to a jam. If he calls the raise on the flop then your options are to ch/fold shove or bet call. I wouldnt put any more chips in this pot without calling them all after i raised flop.

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