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I have never posted a HH before and have been unwilling to really be “coached” in the past. Hopefully I can be more open to being criticized in order to help my game!
Fairly new to table, what little info I had on villain was 30/10 on about 12 hands.
Full Tilt Poker Daily Dollar No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100/t200 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
Rapid04 (MP2): t7030 35.15 BBs
PhxRising (CO): t9058 45.29 BBs
das50540 (BTN): t23360 116.80 BBs
Brandy213 (SB): t1580 7.90 BBs
BillBam (BB): t10260 51.30 BBs
shogunzu1030 (UTG): t4260 21.30 BBs
64birdie (UTG+1): t1210 6.05 BBs
merz4305 (UTG+2): t13475 67.38 BBs
ler0ywatermel0n (MP1): t10820 54.10 BBs
Pre Flop: (t300) BillBam is BB with 5
6
2 folds, merz4305 calls t200, ler0ywatermel0n calls t200, 2 folds, das50540 calls t200, Brandy213 calls t100, BillBam checks
Flop: (t1000) 4 J 4
(5 players)
Brandy213 checks, BillBam checks, merz4305 checks, ler0ywatermel0n checks, das50540 bets t200, Brandy213 folds, BillBam raises to t500, merz4305 folds, ler0ywatermel0n calls t500, das50540 calls t300
Turn: (t2500) 7
(3 players)
BillBam bets t1100, ler0ywatermel0n raises to t10120 all in, das50540 folds, BillBam calls t8460 all in
River: (t21620) 6 (2 players – 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t21620
BillBam shows 5 6 (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
ler0ywatermel0n shows 4
5 (three of a kind, Fours)
ler0ywatermel0n wins t21620
The most important skill you want to develop is having a plan. It is quite clear that you don't have one in this hand.
On the flop you have a 6 high flush draw on a paired board. This means that every higher FD has you crushed and you could be drawing dead already. This means that I play very cautiously, because we are very deep and don't want to put in our chips when we don't know where we're at. So you check to keep the pot small, I like that. Someone best 200 and its folded to you. What do you want to do?
Do you want to bluff on your draw or do you want to call? Either way, you want something to happen. If you decide to bluff you want people to fold, raising to 500 isn't going to accomplish that. If you want to keep the pot small and hit your draw cheaply. If you want to take down the pot you should raise to 1100 or something. Your bet on the turn is ok I think, but after his raise I think I just fold, chances are there for you to be drawing dead or at least slim. I hate giving up so many outs, but doubt you get the pot odds.
Hey billbam….welcome to the forums! Always post your hands and don't be afraid to comment back on others, you actually learn more when you comment back as it creates conversation. Don't be afraid to be wrong.
For your hand:
On the flop, I probably just call the 200. Check raise isn't bad, buy when you are doing this you are trying to do 1 of 2 things in your situation imo, a) either get people to fold with a semi-bluff or b) build a decent pot if you don't think they'll fold so if you hit your hand you'll get paid. However, in the daily dollar I doubt you're getting scenario “a” done as there will be a Jack most likely in one of their hands that they won't let go, or a random 4….or really, a random Ace that isn't going anywhere. For scenario “b” I don't like building big pots with your hand, as even if you hit your flush, it's a small flush and can still be beat, not to mention a paired board. If you are going to check raise, I would make it bigger. I base my raises on the pot size, not what the villain bet.
On the turn you've picked up a OE straight draw as well so that adds 8 outs to your 9 spades. Again, even with your outs you can still be beat with a larger flush, or a possible boat out there. Don't mind your lead on the turn as you showed strength in previous street. Once he shoves, there is 13720 in the pot and 8460 to call, 1.62:1 pott odds. With your outs, you would be 1.7:1 dog in to hit your card….so you're not getting the right price here (barely), but what would seal the deal for me is that even if you hit, you may not win the hand. For that reason, I probably fold here…..but that's after thought, in the heat of it….I probably snap call 😉
If you were intent on getting it in no matter what, I would have bet bigger on the turn.
Hope that helps….
Thanks for the feedback. I agree my reraise for $500 on the flop was too small, not sure why I choose that amount. I do know that from the start I was trying to rep at least trip 4s since I was the big blind in a limped pot. When I called the all-in I am pretty sure I wasn't considering the deep stack sizes and my position in the tournament if I folded, which would still have been good with about 40bb.
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your play pre flop obv is fine. i would have called the flop and not raised only to keep the pot small and manageable. Then i would have check called the turn and released the hand on the riv and prolly be still in tourney with 9k. to many runners pre flop to think that a loose 4 is not out there to burn you or some one playing a bad jack and not folding no matter what. pot control here would have been key to getting to the riv and avoiding stacking off with 6 high
ttwist said:
your play pre flop obv is fine. i would have called the flop and not raised only to keep the pot small and manageable. Then i would have check called the turn and released the hand on the riv and prolly be still in tourney with 9k. to many runners pre flop to think that a loose 4 is not out there to burn you or some one playing a bad jack and not folding no matter what. pot control here would have been key to getting to the riv and avoiding stacking off with 6 high
Agree 100% with this. You want to avoid getting crazy with flush draws on paired boards as sometimes you are going to be drawing stone dead.
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