September 5, 2013
Obv never 4b/f. You need 37% equity vs his range. You have 39% vs QQ+,AKs,AKo.
I do think flatting the 3b is better than 4betting. You're never getting it in very happy. Villain can't really have a 5b/f range and can't 5b/s very light because it will be icm suicide. So you are probably up against alot of pocketspairs, ak and aq. Don't think it is really necesarry flip here.
November 17, 2013
What was villain's stack size? I tend to agree that flatting the 3B might be the better line here. No need to go crazy with AK with your chip lead and lose a flip. I was in a similar situation Sat night and punted off a good portion of my stack when I convinced myself villain was 3Bing light
November 17, 2013
Ok, so you're on the button? Sorry, for some reason I thought you were in EP. Yeah, your reasoning makes more sense now. But I personally would still rather flat the 3B. What I've seen in my HH reviews is that a lot of players would just shove A10+/22+ against your open. The 3B looks stronger to me but I guess it depends on your read of the player too. I'm not very comfortable 4b calling a shove in this situation but that's just me 🙂
September 5, 2013
The stacksizes you mention in OP are a little different (34 vs 38bb). But still I think 4b/f AK with 32bb is bad. Villain is obv never 5b/f and if this moves makes you fold combo's out of your small 4b/c range his range could obviously be wider. With this stacksizes the argument of ICM suicide doesn't really count, but I still think flatting is better. Your perceived 4b range is really capped. You probably 4b jam your mid pocketpairs, fold the low pp's and your deep enough to flat a bunch of hands out of your open range. Taking ICM and other stacksizes into consideration I don't think is a great spot to 4b bluff. So you range is kinda topheavy, which should tighten up the 5b range of villain.
September 5, 2013
I think it's best in this particular spot to not have a 4b/c range, unless villain is a sort of vamooo Brazilian who rips it in way to light. Like you said this is a great spot to flat your monsters. So this reduces your perceived 4b/c range with some AA,KK combo's. This means your 4b/c range exists out of alot of combo's of AK,AQs and only a few pocket pairs. If villain knows this it's oke to 5b rip alot of his pocketpairs and put you in a difficult situation taking ICM and other stacksizes into consideration. You're never going to get it in very happy, because your flipping most of the time.
4bet shoving is obviously +EV in this situation but I think we could gain more by flatting.
– We are in position
– We underrep our range
– We dominate alot of hands out of the 3b/f range of villain.
– Perceived range connects on alot of boards.
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August 25, 2012
Seems like a standard 4bet/call spot preflop, I think anything else would be pretty bad. I also think folding to the 5bet is pretty bad, considering we're getting 5 to 1 or better (not sure exactly what's in the pot). With AK we're going to flop an A or K roughly 30% of the time, so even if we fold literally every time we miss the flop I think it's fine to pair-mine here as a way to exploit the fact his small 5bet here is pretty bad.
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