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October 25, 2013
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One of the first few hands of a small $3 final table. currently sitting 4 of 7. No reads on villain but running 16 11 0 stats over a very small sample. My basic thinking was i was ahead of his range pre flop. The flop didnt change much so i floated. The turn is a blank in my mind so see no reason to fold. The river completes hearts and i guess when he 3 barrels i just lose my bottle n decide he must have it and i value my tourney life more than a hero call but what would you guys have done in this position, how would you have played differently? and what range do you put him on?
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t/t Blinds – 7 players – View hand 2340640
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BTN: t47727 1 BBs – VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 19
SB: t35846 1 BBs – VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 49
BB: t129153 1 BBs – VPIP: 23, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 3.0, Hands: 48
UTG: t97624 1 BBs – VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
Hero (UTG+1): t78267 1 BBs – VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 2.5, Hands: 10823
MP: t34379 1 BBs – VPIP: 11, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
CO: t102004 1 BBs – VPIP: 26, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 23
Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is UTG+1 with A of diamonds Q of hearts
UTG raises to t3200, Hero calls t3200, 5 folds
Flop: (t6400) 2 of hearts 4 of diamonds 9 of hearts (2 players)
UTG bets t5166, Hero calls t5166
Turn: (t16732) 6 of spades (2 players)
UTG bets t9899, Hero calls t9899
River: (t36530) 8 of hearts (2 players)
UTG bets t21777, Hero folds
January 15, 2013
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Any thought of 3 betting pre? Think you define his range a bit better that way, so that you don't find yourself having to make difficult decisions on later streets.
As played, think it is OK to float flop, but if you are going to float the turn as well, I think you have to have a plan for what you intend to do on the river. As for me, I fold turn and most certainly fold river.
As for range, I don't have a clue (the HUD sample size is too small to be of use), since we flatted every street and thus did not do much to define his hand.
Interested in what others have to say, though.
October 25, 2013
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Yea I think your right 3 bet pre would have massively helped narrow his range. I personally think I should have check raised turn to find out where I was as it seemed like he was barreling with air just 1/2 pot every time. As played I was planning on shoving the river but lost my bottle and thought I could live to find other spots. But def a hand I could of played a lot better.
August 8, 2013
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3 bet pre, or flat and raise him on that dry flop. Or raise turn. Or just fold when he cbets the flop. But don't float flop and call turn to hit a 6 outer.
October 25, 2013
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I know it wasnt played well which is why i posted i just had a feeling this guy was trying to have me on i just didnt have the bottle to call with ace high and such a large portion of my chips at stake. which of those ideas do you think is optimal for future reference? 3 bet pre and fire a c bet if checked to?
March 26, 2013
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Preflop I like a 3bet in this spot with AQ. As others say it defines his range and gives you the opportunity to win the hand with fairly little risk postflop if villain calls behind and then checks the flop.
The small sample means you cannot read much into villain tendencies but 11% PFR over 20 odd hands suggests the villain is probably playing solid as with a big stack most guys will have raised more over 20 hands but he could still have been card dead in that time. I wouls still expect villain to be on the more solid side though.
Postflop after you have called I think floating the flop is ok as you have outs and can improve to a flush draw on the turn. If he checks you must then bet though as otherwise no point in floating. The fact he then bet the turn on such a dry board makes me believe he has a strong made hand or at least an overpair here as most guys with showdown value would probably ck/call turn after your flop call. So as played, turn is a fold. River is definitely a fold.
October 25, 2013
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Hey guys thanks for the good feedback. I did play this in such a passive fishy way but I am new to all this so I’m in the right place. Just a quick one if we all like 3 bet pre, what would we do when facing a 4 bet? Obviously I know it’s often player dependant and we don’t have much info but suggestions would be welcomed.
August 8, 2013
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Marsh345 said:
Hey guys thanks for the good feedback. I did play this in such a passive fishy way but I am new to all this so I'm in the right place. Just a quick one if we all like 3 bet pre, what would we do when facing a 4 bet? Obviously I know it's often player dependant and we don't have much info but suggestions would be welcomed.
If he 4 bets I would just flat in position and take a flop and hate my life.
March 26, 2013
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Marsh345 said:
Hey guys thanks for the good feedback. I did play this in such a passive fishy way but I am new to all this so I'm in the right place. Just a quick one if we all like 3 bet pre, what would we do when facing a 4 bet? Obviously I know it's often player dependant and we don't have much info but suggestions would be welcomed.
If the guy 4bets you in this spot then you can take a flop in position but it does mean you are running a big risk of flopping well and being dominated. I think you would have to proceed with caution if you flopped an A or Q. Think about it … he shows strength by raising UTG (and is not a maniac), your 3bet shows huge strength and he still 4bets you. Personally, I range him here on JJ+, AK (poss AQs I guess) and not much else. If he has any PP below JJ he is getting great odds to set mine and he can still call your 3bet with strong suited hands as well.
Given all of that, I would fold if he 4bet which may sound a bit nitty but against anything other than the most aggressive and tricky opponents you are likely crushed in my opinion.
Marsh345 said:
Yea I think your right 3 bet pre would have massively helped narrow his range. I personally think I should have check raised turn to find out where I was as it seemed like he was barreling with air just 1/2 pot every time. As played I was planning on shoving the river but lost my bottle and thought I could live to find other spots. But def a hand I could of played a lot better.
lost here, how could you check/raise turn? as im reading the post you were in position.
i think floating and maybe raising the turn would be best, this means you wont have to be put to a test on the river, and will put a sizeable amount of pressure on Villain, who will likely have us beat but will be unwilling to continue without premium holdings.
preflop i like 3betting >> flatting. this leaves opportunities for other stacks behind you to come in preflop getting a great price.
April 8, 2013
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Im not sure I like a raise on the turn. Your range here is fairly strong given he is UTG and you are UTG+1. I think the flop float is fine but when he bets into you from OOP on the turn for about 1/2 pot I cant imagine he is weak. It seems like you actually got some info on each street but only used the range you put him on preflop. What do you think his range is for barreling two streets OOP. Without reads, its unlikely you are ahead of that range. Even with 1010 he might check call the turn. His line looks really strong and I would fold the turn.
October 25, 2013
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Yea your right i meant just raise the turn i apologise. Originally i had his range as maybe 77+ A10s+ roughly. This was potentialy the very first hand at the final table i cant remmber but one of the first few and obviously he had a large stack which i assumed he would try bully with. My play wasnt good which is why i posted for guidance as i didnt really consider ranges post flop i just felt the flop wasnt likely to have improved his hand and he could be barrelling with air and decided i was going with it and try force him of the pot on a later street. This wasnt based on anything really just fishy play on my behalf an i felt the way he instant raised half pot on all streets with no thought was strange. Looking back on the hand i def think that a 3 bet pre narrows hs range and makes the pot easier to play post. Potentially he had high pocket pair's in that range i supose but next time i will try not to bleed my chips away like this.
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