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April 20, 2015
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raised utg with 18bb with ak off got shoved on by a player playing 22/4 with 0 3bet in the CO, I called it off he flipped over 6’s and I lost the flip.. I was 6th of 12th before busting.. Should I be folding AK here to such a tight passive opponent considering where so close to the ft and also should I just be open shoving my 18 bigs here in this spot to make 4’s-9’s fold. my avg buy ins is usually $8 and I sattyd into this.. Just like to here your thoughts the more I think about the more I think I should just open jam to reduce variance.
February 5, 2015
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Wow…Tough one…probably shove here… Then again it’s probably being results oriented.
For sure I am calling off the 3bet…you just got unlucky man! He could be ICM 3betting light here, so I call. This is a turbo, so it may be a different story in a regular speed T. Might even have to fold here in a regular structured T. Not sure what else you can do. You just need to be winning these flips in order to set yourself up, so don’t feel bad…it just wasn’t your tournament to win. What were the stacks? I probably prefer just ripping the Ak because some here will say technically you can’t call with anything less than QQ here, but personally I am never folding Ak here for 18 bigs, unless I really need the FT mincash! (Which I do right now BTW).
June 2, 2013
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I like to raise and call a shove, weaker hands will shove on your mini raise (AQ, AJ, AT, maybe weaker aces too) and that will make it profitable. I prefer to shove AT, AJ, A9s with 18bbs 6handed.
Seems that you are being results oriented, I understand that feeling, just got 11th on $16.5 PKO 
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August 25, 2012
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If the question is, “should I raise-fold Ace-King for 18bb?”, then the answer will be “no” about 99.9% of the time. Far too strong of a hand with far too much equity against anything but AA/KK, and unless you’re one of the best 18bb players in the world your edge at that stack size is simply not big enough to be folding away a spot like that.
Don’t think I like open-jamming either, if it was the FT and there was a short-stack there might be some actual ICM considerations but the payjumps in 10th-12th place are just not significant enough to justify changing our strategy much. Most people are more concerned about the payjumps at that stage of the tournament than they should be, but that’s only because final table bubbling a tournament is emotionally painful. Once you get over that fear and recognise that bubbling a certain number of final tables in your life is inevitable, you’ll find it easier to make good decisions in these spots.
Finally, as with many hands that get posted on forums, I’d imagine if you win that flip this hand never gets posted. Be very careful not to be results-oriented.
February 5, 2015
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It’s pretty important to know the stacks here…was the 3 bettor a big stack?
Edit…I’m not sure why important got underlined there…it’s not that important to me lol!
February 20, 2015
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If you’ve seen a lot of raises get flatted at the table, does it change your strategy? To go down to 16 bigs in a turbo with the blinds on deck doesn’t sound like fun to me, and if my raise doesn’t get through, I’m check-folding 60% of flops when a 22/4 guy calls me.
April 20, 2015
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The Riceman said
It’s pretty important to know the stacks here…was the 3 bettor a big stack?Edit…I’m not sure why important got underlined there…it’s not that important to me lol!
He had about 30bigs was a top 3 stack..I feel like i should never be folding AK there but where like i said he was playing 22/4 0 3bet i feel hes never shoving AQ so its either the same hand or i’m flipping but I guess flipping for a top 3 stack can never be bad
April 20, 2015
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theginger45 said
If the question is, “should I raise-fold Ace-King for 18bb?”, then the answer will be “no” about 99.9% of the time. Far too strong of a hand with far too much equity against anything but AA/KK, and unless you’re one of the best 18bb players in the world your edge at that stack size is simply not big enough to be folding away a spot like that.Don’t think I like open-jamming either, if it was the FT and there was a short-stack there might be some actual ICM considerations but the payjumps in 10th-12th place are just not significant enough to justify changing our strategy much. Most people are more concerned about the payjumps at that stage of the tournament than they should be, but that’s only because final table bubbling a tournament is emotionally painful. Once you get over that fear and recognise that bubbling a certain number of final tables in your life is inevitable, you’ll find it easier to make good decisions in these spots.
Finally, as with many hands that get posted on forums, I’d imagine if you win that flip this hand never gets posted. Be very careful not to be results-oriented.
I actually used my whole time bank thinking over this hand and for once i actually wasnt being results orientated and tag the hand in my pt4 to be reviewed before calling.. i just felt against such a passive player who never 3 bet and only raised 4% hes never doing this with AQ so i’m either against the same hand or a pocket pair.. i was actually shocked to see he had 6’s and thinking back if he flipped over 6s and i had the choice to call or fold id call every time so i guess i made the right play
December 30, 2015
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DougieJr1992 said
…such a passive player who never 3 bet and only raised 4% hes never doing this with AQ so i’m either against the same hand or a pocket pair.. i was actually shocked to see he had 6’s and thinking back if he flipped over 6s and i had the choice to call or fold id call every time so i guess i made the right play
What was your sample size? The guys shoved 66 with 30BB after all, so my guess is you caught only one side of his tendencies with your sample.
Also…
– what were the stack sizes V shoved in to
– what was your table image? Could V have seen you open and/or open-fold a few times and he might have noticed
You didn’t mention your open raise size. Assuming it was small/”standard”, like 2x-2.5x, then I seriously doubt V is jamming on your with AA or KK (plus you have blockers), or even QQ. I’d say his range is something at least as wide as 66-JJ, AJs+ (perhaps wider depending on your image, table flow and V’s tendencies) …which gives us just under 50% equity (against exactly 66 it is around 45%). With blinds and antes, we stand to more than double up to ~40BB and likely cruise in to the final table and up a few really meaningful ladder rungs.
100%-fist-pump-call, especially in a turbo.
February 14, 2013
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I think the fact that he has 66 seems to imply that r/c is your best option. I suppose if you had like 1k hands on this guy and were confident his reshove range would be like TT+AQo+ then you maybe could fold due to icm constraints, but if hes shovnig 66 then hands like AJo, KQs etc. are likely in his range and you’ll be doing just fine r/c AK here.
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