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December 27, 2014
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Hi, i was playing in the progressive ko last night and i was running well/playing well. I had a top ten stack at last 45. So im sitting there with a table full of weak/mediocre players but im not getting hands. I cant make a move cause a cop is on my left. I guess this tilted me a bit in hindsight. He didnt gave me room to grow my stack bigger. Cause he was kinda fearless. So my stack dwindles down from 640k to 513k or so.
Then the urge “to do something” comes up. Im thinkin, table full of not so good players, i can have them, lets go! Im the man right!
So i get pocket 3's. Wow, what a great hand. Pocket 3's. Minraise from midposition to a passive player. He calls. Im thinking, he can have anything. Thats whay they do. They just call. Here it goes;
PokerStars – $1+$1+$0.20|4000/8000 Ante 1000 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 43.72 BB (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 25)
SB: 1.7 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 26.37 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: 10.8 BB (VPIP: 28.95, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (UTG+1): 65.33 BB
MP: 38.78 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 24)
MP+1: 34.16 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP+2: 31.1 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 45.42 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has 3
3
fold, [color=red]Hero raises to 2 BB[/color], MP calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, fold
Flop: (8.63 BB, 3 players) 4
J 5
[color=red]Hero bets 3 BB[/color], fold, [color=red]BTN raises to 6 BB[/color], Hero calls 3 BB
Turn: (20.63 BB, 2 players) A
[color=red]Hero bets 57.2 BB and is all-in[/color], BTN calls 35.6 BB and is all-in
River: (91.82 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero shows 3 3 (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 53%, Flop 12%, Turn 14%)
BTN shows A J (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks) (Pre 47%, Flop 88%, Turn 86%)
BTN wins 91.82 BB
Yeah, aint that a great play. Seeing vids, ooh an ace comes ott. Now i can maximize pressure. Cause i can rep that ace! Yeah, other then that he has it himself. Haha. What a fn blowup. Later this guy finishes 5th or somethin. Ugh.
I dont know what it is that all of the sudden i start to feel like i should do somethin “cause im the big stack”
Or some thoughts like: “what are you? A *****? Put some pressure on those guys fag”
The truth is i am kinda *****. ORRR some retard like above. But no a middle way is too hard ofcourse. While basicly thats how i played the whole tournament. Kinda middlewayish. Then i blow up here.
Causes: a copper mid stack who is stopping me and makin me feel lose control of the table. While that isnt even nessessarry. But still i wanted to, cause of weakish players.
No hands. But i was thinkin, i should also get chips without having hands, what else is the point of the game, just waiting for a hand. Well i wasnt getting any hands. Though in hindsight, the only way i got that big stack is because i flopped sets and two pairs and got paid of every time.
So cause of the happy callers, then what the hell are you supposed to do when ur not getting hands, yet u have a big stack. 🙁
November 4, 2013
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I’m not sure if you are looking for specific feedback on this hand, or if you just want to discuss the general concept of how you felt as the big stack being blocked by the player on your left. Regardless, my reaction to this hand is that I think your biggest mistake was not folding to his flop min raise. There are very few reasonable draws on the board for him to be raising. So he either has something or he is trying to make a move on you, which seems unlikely. You are very unlikely to improve. I don’t think the turn shove was all that terrible as played .. I don’t know if I would have bet all in, or even made the stab at all. But sometimes he doesn’t have an ace and sometimes you will take the pot down that way.
As far as being the big stack and going card dead, I say just be card dead for a while. Of course you want to make moves every now and then, but I would sooner give up on those moves when they don’t work, (for example on the flop action you described above) instead of persisting with an under pair out of position. Especially because you don’t lose your ‘credit’ for playing the hand, meaning, you’ve come out of your shell, and you’ve had the good influence on your table image that you are looking for.
October 21, 2012
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Having a big stack in this spot allows you to weather the blinds better than all the shorties and fold for dollars. Take what the table gives you. If it doesn't give you anything, just take your standard GTO type spots. When they are too loose, be tighter. When they are too tight, be looser.
December 27, 2014
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” If it doesn't give you anything,”
thats exactly what happened. And i allways start to tilt a bit when my big stack crumbles instead of sweeping the floor with it to other players. Well anyway tx for replies ofcourse!
Its been just another learning experience and i rather do how i want to play instead of forcing myself to do some stuff which i know is the best but that wont improve my game. And really this was a play that i wanted to make after all, so, it just didnt worked out. Almost came back with trip tens slowplayed otf, ai ott but opp turned a set of aces. 🙁 😀
And about being tight, yeah that was the problem as well. I wasnt getting hands whatsoever so pocket 3's seemed the nuts really D… then this plan came up XD
February 2, 2015
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I agree with Carlos about taking what the table gives you. I have the same inner struggle going on when I get a big stack that I feel I should be taking advantage of the weaker players at the table by exerting pressure and putting them to difficult decisions. However, I've noticed over time that my best results have come from when I felt “card dead” and didn't play as many hands or played a little more passively (not too passive, just not hyper aggressive) with the big stack.
After thinking it over I've come to the conclusion that often enough the other players give you credit for being aggressive just because you have a big stack. If you tighten up and play solid, when you do decide to play a hand the other players still have the feeling that you might be “making a move” on them just because of your stack size. Most, especially weaker players, won't notice that you haven't played a hand for 2-3 orbits, but they always notice your stack size.
January 16, 2015
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So annoying when you get a table with the aggro players on your right and loose calling stations on your left. I don't mind losing the blinds so much, but not being able to steal them is maddening. Having that constant attrition with no possibility of compenastion makes The Ape all frickin' gnashy. I hear ya, brotha.
December 27, 2014
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tx.
mayb thats actually quite a tactic to simply sabotage a big stack and act as if ur willing to go broke as a midstack just to tilt the hell out of m.
Also, 1 thing i kinda feel but what im quite aware of, but should mayb taken advantage of like DTUSC said, is that players seldom respect a big stack. Or mayb even jealous or somethin. 😀
November 18, 2013
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I think you figured it out in your original post. You got your big stack because people in a $2 tourney were bad at folding. You can’t expect to increase your stack by suddenly expecting them to be good at folding.
I’m this spot the river shove is spew. You can bet less and stll fold out all the hands that fold to a shove.
If your raises and cbets get no credit there are two things you can try besides patience (although patience probably the better choice).
1. You can try check raising the flop if your c_bets are always called. It’s about the cost of a double barrel and less likely to be read as a bluff.
2. You can 3 bet the guys on your right to discourage copper from.entering the pot
But playing ABC and just increasing your bet sizes is probably the best counter strategy..
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