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February 23, 2016
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At the first hand , i thought this bet was a bluff from him(i think shoving there is a really bad play from him).Moreover , i dont know if i had to bet on flop in a 4 way pot.At the second hand i checked the flop i could not take value from almost anything , the turn and river cards made me fold his donk river pot bet(i dont know his limping range , but he could have sth like JQ , 88 , 78 , 89 ).Yet i am not really sure that he had the straight though he was a fish.
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$2.28+$0.22
Blinds 25/50 9
UTG Stesha21 1,580
UTG+1 Hero 3,762
MP1 Bluuuffy 1,628
MP2 MAAREKK778 1,470
MP3 didddi0102 3,407
CO kensin000 3,149
D ishavsbyen 1,193
SB GodDmnBatman 792
BB B0stonn 1,408
9 129 Hero is UTG+1 5 5
1 fold, Hero raises to 125, Bluuuffy calls 125, 3 folds, ishavsbyen calls 125, 1 fold, B0stonn calls 75
4 579 4 2 7
B0stonn checks, Hero bets 289, Bluuuffy calls 289, 1 fold, B0stonn folds
2 1,157 2
Hero checks, Bluuuffy goes all-in 1,208, Hero calls 1,208
2 3,573, 1 all-in T
Hero shows two pair, Fives and Deuces 5 5
Bluuuffy shows a full house, Sevens full of Deuces 7 7
Bluuuffy wins 3,573 (net +1,945)
ishavsbyen lost 131
B0stonn lost 131
Hero lost 1,628
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8 Players
$0.50+$0.05
Blinds 600/1,200 8
UTG ardent Yar 57,002
UTG+1 NKS_Ryan 20,103
MP1 Santygo1985 58,381
MP2 Hero 55,331
CO CSIback65 68,977
D JudgeVienna 8,044
SB RuS_Ik69 203,104
BB jones2911 39,015
8 3,000 Hero is MP2 K K
ardent Yar calls 1,200, 2 folds, Hero raises to 3,855, 4 folds, ardent Yar calls 2,655
2 10,710 6 K 9
ardent Yar checks, Hero checks
2 10,710 T
ardent Yar checks, Hero bets 4,258, ardent Yar calls 4,258
2 19,226 7
ardent Yar bets 19,226, Hero folds
ardent Yar wins 38,452 (net +10,963)
Hero lost 8,263
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December 6, 2012
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I fold Hand 1. You shouldn’t be making a read as narrow as “I thought this bet was a bluff”. Even if you think it’s a bad way to play 77, why can’t he have 66 or 88 or A7 or 87 or 76 or many other hands that have you crushed? It’s also worth thinking about what exactly are the hands he would bluff with. I would think it’s mostly flush draws and two overs, which as far as best case scenarios go is not so great for you.
Hand 2 is tough. I like the flop check, but I think once your opponent shows interest on the turn, you should probably raise. I’d call river. I think V could very plausibly be bluffing or possibly even going for value with a lower set. I don’t imagine you ever really have an 8 here, which means you should call with some non-8s.
December 30, 2015
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Hand 2: Summary: I think he is bluffing though I have a hard time determining what hand he has without allowing 88 and QT in to his range. Maybe AJ or AT. Here is my stream of consciousness. What do you think?…..
JQ is the only straight that makes sense to me and the river doesn’t change that. I doubt 88 makes it to the river unless V is calling the turn thinking we are bluffing and he picked up a gutter. The problem I have is that I can’t put V on any hand that calls the turn and pots the river except bluffs, JQ or maybe sets. JJ or QQ would either c/r turn or c/c river, or maybe a blocking/thin-value bet on the river. Betting so big with so much showdown value seems way too thin. If he is shoving for value I have to wonder what calling hand he puts us on…
If V is a thinking-player he may have excluded straights from our range due to PF action. With the checked flop, V may be shoving to get us off a weak hand like second-pair, JJ, QQ, Tx…maybe even AQ (missed draw) if he has a lower A. Since the flop was checked and we only put in one small-ish bet on the turn, I can’t imagine V would think we are strong enough to get a call betting pot for value on the river, so I think I have to put V on a bluff with a hand like AJ, AT… On top of all this he bets pot instead of shoving even though he only has a tiny bit more, which makes me think he is trying really hard to look strong, but that is a guess so I consider it an effective shove.
V may not be thinking beyond his hand and just pressed the “pot” button with the QJs-nuts and a prayer.
Leveling again, if V does have QJs and doesn’t have any idea what we have, he may decide that we aren’t calling much anyway and just bet pot, aware it looks bluffy and button-clicky.
Thoughts?
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December 6, 2012
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Oh wow I misread again, thought V bet turn. Vs this line, I think you can fold river. Can’t see V ever doing this for value with worse, which means that all you have is a bluff-catcher with no blockers.
February 23, 2016
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The donk bet on the tiver means long term that i have to win this spot >33% of the times to be correct.I am not sure about this time , but i think that we ve got this 1/3 in this spot against these players long term.So from this perspective i think i had to call.What do you think?
August 20, 2015
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I don’t imagine you ever really have an 8 here, which means you should call with some non-8s.
What do you mean by this? What sort of concepts and levels of thinking are going on here, I mean.
February 23, 2016
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yeah man ,i am a little bit confused too 😛
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BadAstronaut said
I don’t imagine you ever really have an 8 here, which means you should call with some non-8s.
What do you mean by this? What sort of concepts and levels of thinking are going on here, I mean.
Wow, see my second post about mis-reading the hand. However, what I was saying is that if Hero is going to fold whenever he doesn’t have an 8, then Villain has a lot of incentive to bluff, because Hero is never going to have an 8. In which case Hero has some incentive to call without an 8.
August 20, 2015
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Saw the post about misreading the hand – was still interested in what you were getting at with the “you should call with some non-8s” either way.
Thanks – makes a lot more sense to me (and I am sure Kourou too) when explained like you just did.
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