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May 25, 2016
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Ok so the villain is relatively unknown but hes 19/12 which makes me think hes limping too many strong hands, so when he 4bets I’m thinking he probably has a very strong range like AKo, AQs, JJ+ maybe tighter. But its possible, although unlikely he might have weaker stuff thrown in. My question is Vs this relatively unknown villain is it unreasonable to fold QQ here? should I basically be flatting this spot every time, or should I just get it in to prevent myself having to play out of position? Cheers for any advice.
PokerStars – $6.42+$0.58|10/20 Ante 3 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
MP: 70.75 BB (VPIP: 28.53, PFR: 21.73, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 390)
MP+1: 73.9 BB (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 18.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 100)
MP+2: 85.1 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
CO: 72.9 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BTN: 72.9 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
SB: 73.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 74.4 BB
UTG: 74.4 BB (VPIP: 14.67, PFR: 12.99, 3Bet Preflop: 6.64, Hands: 3,932)
UTG+1: 77.25 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 47)
9 players post ante of 0.15 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.85 BB) Hero has Q
Q
fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, MP+2 raises to 25 BB, fold, Hero ?
Flop: (152.85 BB, 2 players) 8
6 3
Turn: (152.85 BB, 2 players) 4
River: (152.85 BB, 2 players) 6
August 21, 2014
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Looks your are very deep at the beginning of the tourney.
From your view
The 3x open of the villain from MP looks like a hand range 55-QQalso hands like AK, AKs, AJ, AJs. With AA,KK maybe he would min raise to induce reraises or flat calls.
From villains view
Your raise to 10BB’s would for look like you have AA-QQ, JJ, AK, AKs, AQ, AQs. With smaller pockets you would flat call.
From my view
The 4 Bet to 25 BB with that stats he must have a monster like AA-KK, AK,AKs.
With deep stacks you have here I would flat call the 3x open and not waisting chips.
When flop comes with an A or K you are in a bad situation to fold to any flop bet.
Whe the stacks were like 18 BB and lower I would 3bet and would go All IN to the 4 Bet.
I saw saw you went all in to his 4 bet.
What he got ?
AA,KK
May 25, 2016
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To be fair that is give or take my standard 3b size regarless hand in my 3B range there. I prefer to make it a little bigger to discourage villain when I’m out of position. maybe this is wrong? but its not just my strong 3bet range il do it with. I don’t agree that I should flat here given the 3x bet. although it is reasonable to assume that his range is stronger because of the 3x, I don’t think I can simply flat all 3x bets in that spot. A/K will flop..,. cant remember the odds but its a considerable amount of the time.
But anyway sir, as played what would you do when he 4bets? I just don’t think I can fold QQ here Vs unknown. I agree it does look very strong. He had KK btw.
August 21, 2014
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What kind of tourney was that?
For me when i would do the 3-Bet and receive the 4-Bet i also would flat call. When a A/K comes down at the flop, i got a healthy stack left when i fold.
It’s not worth risking a tourney in that stage for me with QQ, also against unknown players.
February 20, 2015
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A $7 tourney this early it can be tempting to punt. An A or K will flop 1/3 of the time.
Flatting the BB is fine to balance your preflop calling range (it plays easily after the flop), but then what is in your 4-bet range?
When you’re this deep and the board is all undercards, it can keep you from busting out with an overpair if you keep the pot smaller. This seems more important to me than having QQ in your 4-bet range.
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August 25, 2012
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You absolutely can’t flat a 4-bet of this sizing and leave 50bb behind OOP in a 50+bb pot, so let’s eliminate that from the equation.
The 3-bet in the first place is good, it gets tons of value and QQ is obviously a monster hand. I don’t like just flatting the BB in this spot at all.
With 43BB in the pot here I don’t think you have much option but to get it in. Even if villain’s range is KK+/AK here they have AK more often than KK+ (16 combos to 12 combos) and if you think they have hands like JJ or AQs in their 4-betting range then there’s absolutely no doubt that getting it in with QQ is profitable.
Something to bear in mind – and this goes for everyone since I see this a lot in these forums – is that when there’s a ton of money in the pot preflop like there is here, our equity doesn’t have to be that good against villain’s range to make the play profitable. If villain shows us AK face-up here, we should get it in without a second thought since flipping with a lot of money already in the pot is awesome.
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