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F*** you ICM , 4-bet shoving here all day?
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August 20, 2015 - 5:16 am
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#Game No : 711593450
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 711593450 *****
$4,000/$8,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 
Tournament #71587659 $2.70 + $0.30 - Table #17 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: DmcE1 ( $356,522 )
Seat 2: tigo777 ( $345,936 )
Seat 3: london_ace ( $551,654 )
Seat 4: ThePlaymatE ( $536,508 )
Seat 5: bumpy11 ( $157,351 )
Seat 6: TaffPowell15 ( $285,969 )
Seat 7: cantgettoomu ( $461,084 )
Seat 9: nowy_ ( $99,976 )
bumpy11 posts ante [$1,000]
TaffPowell15 posts ante [$1,000]
london_ace posts ante [$1,000]
ThePlaymatE posts ante [$1,000]
DmcE1 posts ante [$1,000]
tigo777 posts ante [$1,000]
cantgettoomu posts ante [$1,000]
nowy_ posts ante [$1,000]
bumpy11 posts small blind [$4,000]
TaffPowell15 posts big blind [$8,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 9spade, 9heart ]
cantgettoomu folds
nowy_ folds
DmcE1 folds
tigo777 folds
london_ace raises [$16,000]
ThePlaymatE folds
bumpy11 folds
TaffPowell15 raises [$52,000]
london_ace raises [$534,654]
TaffPowell15 calls [$224,969]
** Dealing flop ** [ 3diamond, 2diamond, Jclub ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 4diamond ]
** Dealing river ** [ Qdiamond]
 
 
hey
 
reads - V has been playing pretty loose, i've not seen them 3-bet. Their was only 1 hand which hero raised it up from LP and v  decided to 3-bet shove from the BB , we were like 
25bb effective.
 
I decided to 4-bet shove here and i never took ICM into consideration , which is terrible for sure.
 
what's the bottom of your 4-bet shoving range here?
 
 
 
 
cheers.
cool
 
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August 20, 2015 - 6:08 am
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4bet shvoing with 99 is pretty good here as you are putting a lot of ICM pressure on him

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I don't love shoving here given your description of villain. If he were in SB, he might be 3betting wider, but many players will prefer to just call from the big getting such juicy odds and with ICM to consider, so I would expect a large 3bet to be pretty nutted. And your read that he isn't 3betting very often just solidifies this read. I think i would be peeling here, I don't love it because our flatting range is pretty face-up, but I don't think we can fold a hand a strong as 99 either. Shoving range maybe JJ+,AK, occasional bluff with blockers ?

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Do you use a HUD BTW? You play enough tournaments that you should be collecting a lot of data on some of these players.

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I don't use a hud nope lol , how essential do u think it is?

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If you play that many tables at the same stakes, you're invariably playing a lot of the same people. Every time you post a hand and say “no reads,” it's possible that you would have reads if you used a HUD and had played with them in another tournament.

 

There are threads about which ones are better and why, so I won't get into all that, but even at small stakes, there is a lot of value. Also, you can replay hand history from a tournament and look for mistakes.

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