View Plans & Pricing

If you are signed in and are seeing this message, please be sure you have selected a user name in My Profile. The forum requires it.
A A A
Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
sp_TopicIcon
Easy fold with no reads?
daveyt86
Guest
Guests
1
January 17, 2014 - 5:53 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

 Moved to table 12 hands ago and havent seen them play any hands so have no reads

 

 

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t40 – 9 players – View hand 2405912
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

FriggjoBIG (MP2): BB = 4.8, t1428
RickPoker17 (CO): BB = 101.4, t30413
JulianoMAC (BTN): BB = 18.0, t5394
chambers-roy (SB): BB = 19.8, t5949
joaopestana8 (BB): BB = 32.6, t9779
F_ck3r0fm1nd (UTG): BB = 35.6, t10690
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 36.1, t10840
gebstotz (UTG+2): BB = 23.6, t7069
orlovline (MP1): BB = 65.0, t19498

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is UTG+1 with J of hearts A of clubs
1 fold, Hero raises to t600, 6 folds, joaopestana8 calls t300

Flop: (t1710) T of diamonds 7 of hearts 5 of clubs (2 players)
joaopestana8 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t1710) A of diamonds (2 players)
joaopestana8 checks, Hero bets t895, joaopestana8 calls t895

River: (t3500) J of diamonds (2 players)
joaopestana8 bets t2700

Chuck Blaze
Small Stakes Grinder
Members
Forum Posts: 77
Member Since:
August 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
January 17, 2014 - 6:20 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Without reads it tough I agree cause we aren't ahead of much here given the line this player took. We improved the turn/river but villain seems to have improved also and betting out on river is a line indicating he's strong. Not really the line with a bluff. A bad player could be worse here with A10, AQ, A5, A7. But I think a bad player also has diamonds here as well maybe a straight too. It seems to me that the turn was good for them and obviously the river.

I think we should be cbetting this flop here 100 % of the time. It helps defines the villain range a bit more and we are more likely to have an easier decisions through the hand.

icantmtt
Small Stakes Grinder
Members
Forum Posts: 93
Member Since:
November 18, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
January 17, 2014 - 6:41 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Why no Cbet?

Tough but fold river is best imo
Sets flushes and straights all beat us
Hard to see this being a bluff or worse 2p hand this early

daveyt86
Guest
Guests
4
January 17, 2014 - 7:20 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Ive seen ppl say that c-betting 100% of flops makes us exploitable!!
I didnt c-bet as i didnt think i could get better hands to fold, and i may get worse to call but not many.
Should i just always be c-betting the flop?

Chuck Blaze
Small Stakes Grinder
Members
Forum Posts: 77
Member Since:
August 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
January 17, 2014 - 8:42 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

on the flop there is 1710 chips in the pot. At this point in the MTT i’m happy to win that amount. Its not about getting better to fold or worse to call for me in this spot.

markconkle
High Stakes Shark
Members
Forum Posts: 175
Member Since:
March 8, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
January 18, 2014 - 12:22 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

I also like cbetting the flop. Making him fold KQ is decently valuable.

I agree AT, A7, and A5 are very possible, as is TJ. I would call a smaller bet but I think you are beat too often here.

lapp3r30
Winnipeg, MB, Canada
High Stakes Shark
Members
Forum Posts: 176
Member Since:
July 12, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
January 18, 2014 - 2:03 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory
0

I also like cbetting the flop. Making him fold KQ is decently valuable.

Why do we want him to fold KQ on the flop?

michae1di11on
Midstakes Master
Members
Forum Posts: 137
Member Since:
April 16, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
January 18, 2014 - 4:08 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Ive seen ppl say that c-betting 100% of flops makes us exploitable!!
I didnt c-bet as i didnt think i could get better hands to fold, and i may get worse to call but not many.
Should i just always be c-betting the flop?

Here’s two articles by Andrew Brokos that will help your c-betting dilemmas.

…..rotection/
…..tting-adv/

Also, there’s nothing wrong with being exploitable until opponents start exploiting you.

jacobsharktank
Florida
Playing The Prelims
Members
Forum Posts: 547
Member Since:
December 24, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
January 18, 2014 - 5:30 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Grunch

I hate not cbetting because unless the villain is paying attention and he’s not unless he’s good, he won’t know you’re cbetting an extraordinarily amount of completely blank boards heads up. He’s bb and has a wide flatting range, whether he’s good or he’s bad for a variety of reasons unless he’s right. I don’t know that cbetting is 100% better than checking back but I know this particular spot can’t play out when you Cbet. You’re still value vetting against a lot of his air and you don’t necessarily want to give that chunk of his range a free card anyway. Unless you have history and know he’s a reg who will exploit your cbetting tendencies, where you’re still ahead and don’t want to be rc bluffed, you should still Cbet. Pocket pairs are still having to uncomfortably check/something with under pairs for three streets. Top pairs will play probably slowly by villain because they don’t have good kickers. (I’m on my phone and can’t scroll up to see but I’m pretty sure it was t-high ya?)

jacobsharktank
Florida
Playing The Prelims
Members
Forum Posts: 547
Member Since:
December 24, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
January 18, 2014 - 5:36 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Also- don’t worry about playing in a manner that can be exploited if it’s going to work and the people you’re using it against aren’t going to exploit it. Those that can exploit you and are seeing this hand won’t really be able to exploit it because you will just adjust but you don’t have to play defensively when you (and they) will be read less.

Poking_Fun
High Stakes Shark
Members
Forum Posts: 166
Member Since:
March 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
January 22, 2014 - 12:12 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Agree a cbet here is mandatory in this spot.

I think there are plenty of draws that we get value from and small pairs that may fold on that flop. We can also set up to fire again with high cards J-A as we have AJ plus K/Q would be decent bluff cards here.

River is difficult as it has just nailed a whole load of draws that got there but there is still the possibility that villain is representing a strong hand and bluffing although his sizing really does look like he is trying to get value from AK etc. Probably a sigh fold although not a very easy one in a $10 tournament.

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 2780

Currently Online:
13 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

bennymacca: 2616

Foucault: 2067

folding_aces_pre_yo: 1133

praetor: 1033

theginger45: 924

P-aire 146: 832

Turbulence: 768

The Riceman: 731

duggs: 591

florianm1: 588

Newest Members:

sdmathis89

ne0x00

adrianvaida2525

Anteeater

Laggro

Philbro

Forum Stats:

Groups: 4

Forums: 24

Topics: 12705

Posts: 75003

 

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1063

Members: 12007

Moderators: 2

Admins: 5

Administrators: RonFezBuddy, Killingbird, Tournament Poker Edge Staff, ttwist, Carlos

Moderators: sitelock, sitelock_1