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PokerStars Game #43240522837: Tournament #308010851, $100+$9 USD Hold’em No Limit – Level III (25/50) – 2010/04/26 19:33:22 ET
Table ‘308010851 11’ 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: twizat (1005 in chips)
Seat 2: davidgate (2970 in chips)
Seat 3: IveGotToejam (4290 in chips)
Seat 4: kedo15 (3010 in chips)
Seat 5: shmaf (2155 in chips)
Seat 6: croll103 (4255 in chips)
Seat 7: Twiztid224 (6060 in chips)
Seat 8: pardevaletes (3710 in chips)
Seat 9: LockdownTex (2545 in chips)
IveGotToejam: posts small blind 25
kedo15: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IveGotToejam [Js Jd]
shmaf: folds
croll103: raises 100 to 150
Twiztid224: folds
pardevaletes: folds
LockdownTex: folds
twizat: folds
davidgate: raises 300 to 450
IveGotToejam: ???
Seems like the only option here is fold, no?
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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Unless you’ve seen serious lunacy from either one of them I’m folding nearly 100% of the time here.
TPE Management
April 6, 2010
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yeah, absent any serious reads, I just fold and move on.
Wein….Would you ever think of calling to try to hit your set…..Or maybe that is a flaw in my game.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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I’m sure Wein wil chime in but I’ll jump the gun and say that I think calling is the worst option because you are playing out of position, against two players (assuming the OR just flats…he may even shove when it comes back to you putting you in a worse spot). An A, K or Q will come on so many flops and certainly those cards are in your opponets ranges and you’ll just have to give up. And given the action so far, even a flop of low cards stinks because there’s a good chance one of these guys already has overs.
It’s not good for set value either because you aren’t getting the odds. Most of the pros (and i’ll let them chime in here) look for a good 15-1 to 20-1 odds for set value to account for the low % of the time you flop the set combined with the need to stack someone which doesn’t always happen.
Hopefully I saved him some typing – but we’ll see what he says.
RonFezBuddy said:
I’m sure Wein wil chime in but I’ll jump the gun and say that I think calling is the worst option because you are playing out of position, against two players (assuming the OR just flats…he may even shove when it comes back to you putting you in a worse spot). An A, K or Q will come on so many flops and certainly those cards are in your opponets ranges and you’ll just have to give up. And given the action so far, even a flop of low cards stinks because there’s a good chance one of these guys already has overs.
It’s not good for set value either because you aren’t getting the odds. Most of the pros (and i’ll let them chime in here) look for a good 15-1 to 20-1 odds for set value to account for the low % of the time you flop the set combined with the need to stack someone which doesn’t always happen.
Hopefully I saved him some typing – but we’ll see what he says.
It’s definitely this. We are put in a very difficult situation when flatting, and we are basically flipping our hand flip up.
If I were very deep in this situation, I def do call here and set mine… but not here. The implied just isn’t there.
I think at best you’re hoping for a flip. At these early stages in the tournament Im sure you can find better spots to get all of your chips in rather than going in with Jacks.
forgot to add that basically a fold was correct
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