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December 30, 2015
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No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$2.00+$2.00+$0.40
Blinds 20/40 9
UTG theknappstaa 6,104
UTG+1 mitiyy 3,469
MP1 Feltrin18 3,000
MP2 Riverboy15 3,110
MP3 is_george_4 3,000
CO Hero 5,541
D wiko777 2,795
SB Leandro A.37 3,775
BB lorisCY 5,585
9 60 Hero is CO A 9
5 folds, Hero raises to 98, 1 fold, Leandro A.37 calls 78, lorisCY calls 58
3 294 3 J A
Leandro A.37 checks, lorisCY bets 80, Hero calls 80, Leandro folds
2 454 T
lorisCY bets 120, Hero calls 120
2 694 3
lorisCY bets 360, Hero calls 360
Hero shows two pair, Aces and Threes A 9
lorisCY shows XXX
Hero wins
I didn’t think V had many A in his range so I figured he was taking the lead to block my c-bet. I thought any raise would knock him off his hand so I was hoping to call and let him keep betting, and I was really hoping he was drawing to a flush.
Did I miss value on the river?
Anyone think I could have gotten more value or could have taken a different line?
June 2, 2013
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I raise OTF trying to GII, if V has TPGK (better kicker than you have) you are a little bit over 50% to win, versus AT~AQ you have 44.52%
IF you are certain about V folding for a reraise OTF, I guess a reraise OTT to get a bigger pot OTR if you hit your flush, ~480, but I think you have to fold if V 3bet too big.
December 30, 2015
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I didn’t think a better TP would bet so small on this flop.
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December 6, 2012
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Looks good to me. You should NOT be trying to get it in on the flop, nor should you be building a pot just in case you hit a flush. Why would you deliberately shovel in more money than you have to knowing that you won’t be a favorite if the money goes in?
June 2, 2013
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Foucault said
Looks good to me. You should NOT be trying to get it in on the flop, …
If there was ante, GII OTF with ~50% equity is still bad?
Foucault said
… , nor should you be building a pot just in case you hit a flush.
A reraise OTT builds a big pot in case we have to bet river, and very often V will check to us on the river, if we don´t improve we can check instead of just pay, and if we improve we already have a bigger pot, so we can bet bigger OTR. If we just call turn, and reraise river with the flush I think the hand is too face up for V. My thinking don´t make sense here? 🙂
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August 25, 2012
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Since it’s a progressive KO I don’t think getting it in on the flop versus the one guy whom you cover is a terrible thing. You want to be trying pretty hard to capture his bounty. Problem is the other guy covers you, though, so you don’t have that advantage.
Generally I’d say it’s fine as played with the exception of the river call. It’s very unlikely villain is bluffing here and it’s also unlikely they’re value-betting worse. I don’t really see why we would raise turn for value if we didn’t raise flop for value – villain’s range is narrower and stronger here, and we have less equity. A turn raise very rarely gets called by worse.
December 30, 2015
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My river call was the primary reason I wanted to post this. I wasn’t sure if I was missing value.
I just called because I couldn’t come up with any worse hands that would call. In other words, I didn’t know what hand I was value-targeting. I didn’t want to re-raise and either get blown off the hand or make a crying-call. V was betting small and then bet 50% on the river. I didn’t show any strength so I don’t think V would bomb the river with better, so this seemed like a value bet. I really felt I was ahead, but wasn’t 100% sure, obviously.
Results: V had 2
5
for a missed gut-shot, so being results-oriented I didn’t miss anything, this time. Where’s the 4
when you need it, huh? 😉
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December 6, 2012
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I agree the bounty gives you a little more incentive to gii on the flop, but in general this is a MUCH better calling hand than raising hand. Just because your hand has enough equity to make getting it in non-terrible doesn’t mean that that’s the best play. You won’t be in good shape vs his stack-off range and you have a very resilient bluff-catcher, so my default would be to play it that way.
I definitely don’t see a case for raising the turn. You’ll river a flush less than 20% of the time, so the fact that you’ll be happy you raised the turn when you do isn’t enough to outweigh the fact that you’ll be unhappy you raised the turn the other 80+%.
I don’t see why Villain can’t be bluffing river, and while I agree it’s unlikely he has worse for value, better also seems pretty unlikely. The diamonds block some bluffs but the Ace blocks a lot of value hands. I can’t imagine folding river at this price.
October 30, 2015
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I don’t think you’re missing any value on the river here at all. If he does have an Ace, you’re likely to split the pot – two pairs (A’s and 3’s) with the J kicker on the board. If you had a better two pair or AQ / AK, then you could consider a raise.
I thought it was interesting what Foucault said about “[N]or should you be building a pot just in case you hit a flush.” I’ve frequently thought of the TP with flush draws I’ve had as very strong equity. However, I guess raising will only fold out the hands you’d want to continue with (that you beat). Otherwise, you’d be getting it in at 50/50 (or slightly less) equity vs. a better Ace.
Interesting considerations would be to think about how your flop action might change if stack sizes were different (ie. <20bb).
MovieFX: You said, “I just called because I couldn’t come up with any worse hands that would call.” I think that’s a great reason just to call that river then, regardless of if it’s a relatively small bet. Sometimes you know that you have the best hand, but you’re just not going to get called by worse hands.
However, if you are almost certain that you are good, it does beg the question: “Why not raise?” You could promote a hero call or — from a really spewy player — a jam, maybe, with a bluff like this that couldn’t win. If you commit to your initial read, then you could call of that 3-bet. However, small hand, small pot, right? Room for discussion.
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