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Early stage tough spot with 2 Pair

5crddethpunch

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September 28, 2010 - 4:13 pm

This was a $5.50 Superstack tourney on Tilt. I had already built a nice stack in the very early stages of the tourney when this hand occurs. I had no real hand history with the villain. My thinking pre was that he had some sort of suited A in his hand, maybe A10 or AJ (of course could be AQ or AK with his 3 bet pre) so I decided to trap and checked the flop to see what he would do. My questions are:

1. Would you have shoved over his flop bet or would you flat there?

2. If you flat the flop do you call or fold to his shove on the turn?

If my original read is right then I am toast on the turn and he might just think I am drawing to that board and wanted to protect his hand thus his shove on the turn.

Full Tilt Poker $5 $0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25/t50 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

mklucifer (MP2): t4385 87.70 BBs
bongobob (CO): t4275 85.50 BBs
guillelauaby (BTN): t10045 200.90 BBs
M3Man71 (SB): t12655 253.10 BBs
Jokke_3 (BB): t9685 193.70 BBs
Aurum3 (UTG): t5770 115.40 BBs
eskoltanoi (UTG+1): t5850 117 BBs
Hedged_It (UTG+2): t4900 98 BBs
pukemi (MP1): t8790 175.80 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) M3Man71 is SB with Q of clubs K
Aurum3 calls t50, 5 folds, guillelauaby calls t50, M3Man71 raises to t235, 1 fold, Aurum3 raises to t475, 1 fold, M3Man71 calls t240

Flop: (t1050) A of diamonds Q K of hearts (2 players)
M3Man71 checks, Aurum3 bets t1050, M3Man71 calls t1050

Turn: (t3150) A of spades (2 players)
M3Man71 checks, Aurum3 bets t4245 all in, M3Man71 requests TIME, M3Man71 folds

swet1

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September 28, 2010 - 4:59 pm

1. It would be quite an overbet to shove on the flop and that is a horribly connected board that prob. hits his range well. Flat looks fine to me.

2. I believe it's a good fold on the turn

FkCoolers

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September 28, 2010 - 5:05 pm

It's such a weird line by him but I can't ever call the turn here.

He limps UTG and backraises us. He pots the flop and overshoves the Turn so he should never have a boat here since most players check when they fill up so they don't lose you.

Normally these goofy limp 4 bets are AA or KK but he'd need to have quads for AA and we have a King and a Queen in our hand so I can't figure out what the hell he has.

It smells so much like a weak Ax or a bluff but… meh… I still fold.

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September 28, 2010 - 9:20 pm

I flat the flop, no sense getting it in there, it would be way to spewy to do that. On the turn hang it up, you are beat, and even if there is a small chance he is bluffing, the price is way to big to find out.

bjizzle44

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September 28, 2010 - 10:50 pm

definately nothing wrong with flp flat but turn def have to fold. I think FkCoolers hit it pretty much on the head as he always does. Great poker mind FkC

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September 28, 2010 - 11:13 pm

flat flop and fold turn……way to many chips to shove on flop and whenever you are called when shoving flop you are wayyyyyyyy behind

BBird40

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September 29, 2010 - 5:58 pm

Flat then Fold….Let the moron lose his value on the turn if he is shoving a big hand