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Early Stage $11-33, Top Pair Limped Pot Spaz Factor %?
KableTownCEO
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November 26, 2017 - 7:59 pm
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Ignition $11 5k on a Sunday

Mp open limps 125bb stack, starting stack.

Btn limps. I complete Sb with As6s (Ginger, what are your thoughts on this spot, in general. I used to want to overpot iso a lot of the time here because I’d get called by one player, usually a weaker one because better players wouldn’t make this spot in the first place. I used to feel a lot more confident, even out of position, in this situation. Sometimes I’d check/call three streets with any pair and win 50bb river bets vs a range that’s basically some strong hands and a ton of air)

Bb checks.

 

So everyone’s ranges are middling and not strong, but could contain middling pocket pairs.

flop Ac4c9s. (4bb)

I check (to check/call, or value bet turn). BB shoves 124bb. Folds to me. Button actually tanked into their timebank. Sorry if this is a super easy fold, I just noticed this situation happen the last few times I’ve played.

 

The wildest, yet balanced opponent in this situation could have A4, A9, 94, about 80 flush combos, 44, 99. I think that was like 60 combos of value that beats me for idk 90% equity, and 80 combos of draws that have 35% equity against me. Versus that range, I guess I should be calling, but while I can see someone shove every of those value hands, I don’t see them simultaneously shoving every flush draw.

 

If a pro thinks I’d be better to spend time thinking on more common situations, say something. This happened 3 times in the last week, and I don’t play a lot, so I thought maybe it’s becoming a thing fishy rec’s do.

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November 27, 2017 - 8:07 am
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Seems like a pretty straightforward fold to me.

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Thank you, Foucalt. What do you think of the overpot isolation raise? Am I thinking too hard on this?

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I don’t like raising weak suited Aces from the blinds this deep. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad play, but I prefer taking a cheap flop with a hand that plays relatively well multi-way. Bloating the pot out of position is going to make future streets more difficult.

I think I’m ISOing something like 99+,AJs+,KQs,AQ+. That is an extremely tight approach, and you can go wider. I find most of my edge in the early stages comes from post-flop play, so I prefer getting there before investing many chips unless I have a big hand or am likely to have position.

We can safely assume that someone shoving 124bb into 4bb is a recreational player, but our hand is nowhere near strong enough to call. I don’t like gambling this early in the tourney when there’s going to be much better spots against players like this for the next hour or two.

I don’t think its a bad spot to ask about regardless of it being a trivial fold. Poker is extremely complicated, and anything that we can help you figure out is worth asking about.

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I don’t think you need to be raising wide here in the SB getting a great price to complete. You can restrict your raising range to a top 10-12% type range and go very linear with it, maybe adding in some lower SCs or SAs for barrel value but probably not A6s since it’s the worst SA.

As for the flop, it seems like a pretty trivial fold. Absolutely nobody is balanced here when shoving OOP into three players. Maybe once in a while they show up with a flush draw but it’s definitely not even close to 80 combos – maybe only some of the KcXc or 3c2c/5c3c type hands. Otherwise they just have hands that got excited when they flopped strong in the BB.

No decision you make at this stage of the tournament has a massive bearing on your overall tournament EV. There’s very little reason to be making massive hero-calls at this stage. For a player with a big edge on the field and a high winrate at >100bb stacks (in low-stakes MTTs it’s realistic to hit >30bb/100), there’s probably an argument here for folding even if you could prove it was +5bb in EV. There’s very little incentive for a player with a big edge to take on 125bb of risk early in an MTT, especially if that constitutes almost your entire stack.

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