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Now normally, this is always a fold for me. But this table has been going nuts and it sucks that im here Bad Luck…, but I have only played with kwob a couple times so he does not have any reads on me either. I think I can comfortably fold here right? or is he nutso 4 betting into 4 people?
Full Tilt Poker $75,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t30/t60 Blinds – 8 players
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kwob20 (BB): t3185 53.08 BBs
blizair (UTG): t1729 28.82 BBs
kleath (UTG+1): t2820 47 BBs
Mayniac (MP1): t1956 32.60 BBs
HustlerGrune (MP2): t2984 49.73 BBs
ToEnvolvido (CO): t4241 70.68 BBs
Wretchy (BTN): t2650 44.17 BBs
Head218 (SB): t3980 66.33 BBs
Pre Flop: (t90) Head218 is SB with Q
A
1 fold, kleath raises to t180, 1 fold, HustlerGrune calls t180, ToEnvolvido calls t180, 1 fold, Head218 raises to t750,kwob20 raises to t3185 all in, 3 folds, Head218 requests TIME
October 6, 2010
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that looks ridiculously strong to me. AK, QQ+ i think. but then again it could be really light if it is a table full of regs
July 3, 2010
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Still a fold. I'd rather re-steal and re-re-steal at a table like this than call here. I might even just choose to fold with kleath opening utg+1 there.
I think I just call first raise in SB with AQo.You’re OOP no matter what happens and you’re opening yourself up to this shove which you can’t call. As played, toss it and on to the next one.
Just curious, but if kwob folds and original raiser shoves, would you call then?
definitely dont like flatting, and playing OOP against a bunch of good players.
Personally I have no problems flatting here. The problem with raising is you basiclly turn your hand into a bluff because you are not calling the 4 bet and you are not getting better to fold. Also if you raise here you should do so with a plan for what you'll do for every possible next action by all players left to act. You shouldn't be raising here and then going WTF should I do now that the BB shoved? Always have a plan.
What is your objection from flatting in this spot?
Easy fold once bb shoves. The bb is shoving 53bb's and he has to worry about the EP raiser and you snapping hiim off with better so he has AK+ JJ+.
I understand that my hand is a bluff now and to have a plan. Its a pretty good spot to pick up dead money with ATC really, I think I rarely get flatted pre and only have to decide when we get shoved on. It just caught me off guard that the BB did it and not OR.
Maybe my hand is too strong to raise since i have to fold to any raise really, But i didnt like the idea of playing OOP against kwob and kleath where it would be very hard to get any value anyway. Folding also seemed weak but I considered it more then calling. I think I would call AQs tho.
im getting everything to fold except qq+(maybe JJ), AK. My stats were very tight at this point.
so deep i would just call… as i would have done wih any 2 decend cards…
too much to risk with the raise for very few gain… imo…
call>fold>raise
Master13 said:
so deep i would just call… as i would have done wih any 2 decend cards…
too much to risk with the raise for very few gain… imo…
call>fold>raise
Agree with this…..table of regs the hand isn't going to be super easy to play post flop but at same time hand has way to much value to 3b/fold and turn into a bluff. I
cliff notes: call>fold>raise seems to be consensus
I personally dont like calling, so i suppose i would just fold.
I understand your reasons to not like calling, but that is also how I like to play this kind of hand usually from the small blind. I know that I am going to have to flop huge to be able to play the hand, but calling does add some deception if I do, plus, I don't waste as many chips if I have to toss it. I can understand the argument for a raise, but it has never worked out too well for me in this kind of spot. I think you are too deep to fold it.
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