omg sorry – just realised that the whole time i was typing theres a little black sentence that says

'€20 deepstack 51 left 6 paid'

as the title of the topic,

my bad. forget half of my previous post.

Still a bit of elaboration would be helpful thanks

what is your hand?

Hey Third what sight are you playing?  Have you tried posting your hands using the Hand History Conveter? It would make it easier for all to read and comment.

 @swet1: I'm playing at paradise poker, and i'm still waiting for help from them to get my hand histories saved, as for some reason I only have histories upto march 2011. Cheers 🙂

@hapetimes: Thanks mate, I do like to give any player respect until I know differently about them, so the 15 folds was enough for me in this case to fold the AKs. After seeing how he played in the next couple of rounds I found he would gamble with anything as long as it left him with enough to play(he even utg limped called a 2500 allin with 74s and a stack of 9k with the blinds at 200), but he never really made the raise himself he just limped and was willing to call with any hand. I think I'd definately need a decent hand before ever raising him, and he'd be great to limp with, make a hand then just push and get paid off with any small pair or draw he had. Nice answer with the be more reluctant with the weaker players(the players seem worse everyday and I cant even keep up with my note keeping, they are all in that often with muck). It was only 10 mins ago I was playing the 10k grt was r'ed 4x by the utg so I rr allin with QQ and he called his 4k with A5os and knocked me out, but cant complain, i'm up €1300 over the last 2 weeks :))

 It is hard to get to the end of tourneys with all these weak players tho as I do get my money in good normally, but they push and rr that often that their 4th attempt as a 30% underdog on average, takes the lead. 

Cheers 

Same here would call QQ,KK,AA. and fold JJ- and AK-

 Hi Hawkeye, I agree with you that most players wouldn't push here withh QQ+, but on paradise Poker Fear of Flopping is a big part of alot of the players game, and I'v found that with the bigger stacks especially, when they push, even with no raise before them and just 1 or 2 limpers they have always had the goods. Just the other day I played a hand. I had KK on the button, there were 2 limpers for 200 and the Co raises from 200 to 8k allin, I obviously called and he showed his AA. And i'v seen this happen just about every time i'v seen one of these overbets on Paradise showed down, I have noted it on a minimum of 10 players over the last 3 weeks, and i'm yet to see anyone with an M of 10 or more do this overbet without them having AA,KK,QQ,AK. It's strange I know when you compare to the play on Stars or FT, but on paradise it just seems that the conservative route is the only road to take. It really is unbeliveable the amount of times I get called all the way from someone with with bottom pair, or even A high, people allin with a 4 outer gut shot, calling the short stacks allin with 74 when suited, limping from Utg then calling allin with J10os, and I could go on and it's proably more than 50% of the players who are like this.

And when I went from the €2 and €5 to the €20 games there was less really bad players but the players who were bad seemed much worse, it was the €20 games where the big stack was calling all the shortstacks off with complete muck like: 103os 87os 23s and risking 1/4 of his stack minimum every time.

When I sit at a table and check my notes on 4 to 5 of the players there it makes me laugh as it's unreal what I'v written down.

I'v got into the last 40 players 4x in the last 2 weeks in 1000+ player tournaments including 1x1st place and 1x7th place by just playing basic poker and playing my monster hands only, also I got 4th place in the €20 2k Grt but I had to play better poker once we got down from 80 to 30 players in this one. In the 1000+ player tourneys tho  I dont have to change my game untill I get to around the last 100 players and even then you still have 2 to 3 players at the table who are just there to gambe on anything.

 Cheers for the reply