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ExitMusic (UTG): BB = 71.3, t21392
ghstface1 (UTG+1): BB = 65.2, t19571
ottoclem (MP1): BB = 20.4, t6127
TurboakaBlurry (MP2): BB = 45.7, t13711
DanielAAJJ (CO): BB = 21.7, t6497
PuTTFoRDouGH444 (BTN): BB = 42.1, t12630
Hero (SB): BB = 127.3, t38187
Yojikk (BB): BB = 114.5, t34339
Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is SB with T
4
6 folds, Hero raises to t695.00, Yojikk calls t395
Flop: (t1590) 6
3 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t885.00, Yojikk raises to t3125.00, Hero???
Limited sample size, but villain doesn't seem that tricky. However, I
don't think the fact that he “hasn't been tricky” precludes him from
being capable of having air.
I have been active. This raise confuses me. What do I do? Can I
bet/3bet this deep and risk getting blown off my hand by a hand that
will never be able to fold if I hit (like a flopped straight or set)?
He's stationy enough to be defending a very wide range that includes two pair combos too, probably.
I don't like flatting oop in general, but is it an option here?
Pretty deep, holding a 15 outer, to call ~6% of your remaining stack…. I'd probably have a look and reassess on the turn.
Posted the hand as soon as it happened…now that the tournament's over I've got a couple more thoughts…
Preflop: I said he's stationy enough to be defending with all kinds of junk….so maybe I should walk him so I don't get into this kind of spot postflop.
Flop: Check/call or check/raise is probably better than bet/call. Folding here seems nitty to me, although I think a big part of his range for raising this flop has to include bigger club draws (and 96cc, 86cc, 76cc, which are ahead). The more I think about his range here, the more I think I should sigh and fold. I could be digging myself a serious RIO hole. Peeling isn't terrible (arguably) as deep as we are though.
I'll post the turn soon.
hawkeyeK9 said:
You my thoughts
Yeah you already know results anyway lol….
We didn't discuss the bet/fold option…now that I've thought a little harder about villain's range for raising this flop, I'm starting to think this is a roll your eyes and fold spot. What do you think?
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ExitMusic (UTG): BB = 71.3, t21392
ghstface1 (UTG+1): BB = 65.2, t19571
ottoclem (MP1): BB = 20.4, t6127
TurboakaBlurry (MP2): BB = 45.7, t13711
DanielAAJJ (CO): BB = 21.7, t6497
PuTTFoRDouGH444 (BTN): BB = 42.1, t12630
Hero (SB): BB = 127.3, t38187
Yojikk (BB): BB = 114.5, t34339
Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is SB with T 4
6 folds, Hero raises to t695.00, Yojikk calls t395
Flop: (t1590) 6 3 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t885.00, Yojikk raises to t3125.00, Hero calls t2240
I decided to bet/call the flop. I'm not in love with that play to say the least.
Turn: (t7840) K
(2 players)
Hero checks, Yojikk bets t3920.00, Hero???
The bet/call on the flop shows so much strength that I should probably have led the turn and continued to rep a monster, right?
This is why playing OOP sucks hard.
July 3, 2010
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Doubt I lead the turn here since this card only helps the line you take if you're holding KK or AcKc, maybe KcQc.
I think he's got 2 pair+ here like every single time.
Your bet call looks a lot like an overpair or a strong club draw since you're so deep.
Tough spot for sure. If you think he's capable of folding two pair I'm tempted to stick in a really big check/raise on the turn with the intention of getting it in obv. if it doesn't work. We still have a shit ton outs. I don't think he shows up with a bigger club draw.
OK I'm gonna go ahead and post the rest…
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TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
ExitMusic (UTG): BB = 71.3, t21392
ghstface1 (UTG+1): BB = 65.2, t19571
ottoclem (MP1): BB = 20.4, t6127
TurboakaBlurry (MP2): BB = 45.7, t13711
DanielAAJJ (CO): BB = 21.7, t6497
PuTTFoRDouGH444 (BTN): BB = 42.1, t12630
Hero (SB): BB = 127.3, t38187
Yojikk (BB): BB = 114.5, t34339
Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is SB with T 4
6 folds, Hero raises to t695.00, Yojikk calls t395
Flop: (t1590) 6 3 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t885.00, Yojikk raises to t3125.00, Hero calls t2240
Turn: (t7840) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Yojikk bets t3920.00, Hero calls t3920
River: (t15680) T (2 players)
Hero checks, Yojikk bets t5440.00, Hero???
Getting too good a price to fold this river imo…
July 3, 2010
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We're getting valuetowned so hard lol…
Though bluffs aren't completely out of his range. Hitting the T changes nothing for us IMO.
FkCoolers said:
Doubt I lead the turn here since this card only helps the line you take if you're holding KK or AcKc, maybe KcQc.
I think he's got 2 pair+ here like every single time.
Your bet call looks a lot like an overpair or a strong club draw since you're so deep.
Tough spot for sure. If you think he's capable of folding two pair I'm tempted to stick in a really big check/raise on the turn with the intention of getting it in obv. if it doesn't work. We still have a shit ton outs. I don't think he shows up with a bigger club draw.
I could be representing a flopped monster though. I think bet/call on this flop looks pretty strong. I could be wrong though.
You don't think he could have a bigger club draw?
This hand is a case study in how much it sucks to be OOP super deep with just a draw against a random spewdonk.
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TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
ExitMusic (UTG): BB = 71.3, t21392
ghstface1 (UTG+1): BB = 65.2, t19571
ottoclem (MP1): BB = 20.4, t6127
TurboakaBlurry (MP2): BB = 45.7, t13711
DanielAAJJ (CO): BB = 21.7, t6497
PuTTFoRDouGH444 (BTN): BB = 42.1, t12630
Hero (SB): BB = 127.3, t38187
Yojikk (BB): BB = 114.5, t34339
Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is SB with T 4
6 folds, Hero raises to t695.00, Yojikk calls t395
Flop: (t1590) 6 3 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t885.00, Yojikk raises to t3125.00, Hero calls t2240
Turn: (t7840) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Yojikk bets t3920.00, Hero calls t3920
River: (t15680) T (2 players)
Hero checks, Yojikk bets t5440.00, Hero calls t5440
Final Pot: t26560
Yojikk shows Q
K
(Pair of Kings)
Yojikk wins t26560.00
Guess his flop raising range does include air…
July 3, 2010
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Adding player note now lol…
Definitely an interesting hand you had here. B vs. B gets ****ed up lol
Turn check/call is ****ing awful btw. LOL. C/r or c/f. Obviously c/r is going to have an ugly result in this particular hand…
And no, I don't think he's ever folding two pair in a million billion years.
July 3, 2010
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rivermen123 said:
FkCoolers said:
Doubt I lead the turn here since this card only helps the line you take if you're holding KK or AcKc, maybe KcQc.
I think he's got 2 pair+ here like every single time.
Your bet call looks a lot like an overpair or a strong club draw since you're so deep.
Tough spot for sure. If you think he's capable of folding two pair I'm tempted to stick in a really big check/raise on the turn with the intention of getting it in obv. if it doesn't work. We still have a shit ton outs. I don't think he shows up with a bigger club draw.
I could be representing a flopped monster though. I think bet/call on this flop looks pretty strong. I could be wrong though.
You don't think he could have a bigger club draw?
This hand is a case study in how much it sucks to be OOP super deep with just a draw against a random spewdonk.
Yeah I think this hand shows how we play very differently and I'm not saying either is bad. My own personal style is to not run too many bluffs or try to rep monsters OOP since a lot of times we end up piling a lot of chips into the middle before we find out he has the hand we're repping lol…
With a board this coordinated I feel like if we had a monster we'd be trying to get the most money in on the flop so by just bet/calling it looks more like a drawing or medium strength hand.
I dunno… if you flopped a set would you just flat the raise and lead again?
I dont like your turn call and river even more..
Actually I know the guy and he is quite decent tbh so I dont think he would pay you much if you hit your draw on river..
I never see him bluffing with this particular size on river.
Alextoon1 said:
I dont like your turn call and river even more..
Actually I know the guy and he is quite decent tbh so I dont think he would pay you much if you hit your draw on river..I never see him bluffing with this particular size on river.
Thanks for input! (Part of the reason I posted this hand was “look how badly I play”….lol).
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