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February 17, 2014
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Hey there!
This is a play I found myself doing every once in a while on different tourneys I find it really useful but dont have a clear line of thought behind it, I just make it instintvely on certain boards where I find it really hard for the villain to hit.
This is an example that occured on a 180 man SNG but is anecdotal, what matters is the sequence:
I like it since it confuses the villain because he's not expecting you to donk out ever, specially if they spot you as a reg. And what hands can you possibly lead with?
If they do that to me (take away my cbet opportunity) I find it really hard to continue with most of my range.
Is not something Im doing too often but I think is a good play to mix up in your arsenal from time to time.
What do yous think about this? Is it worth it? In which scenarios and what should we take into consideration when doing it?
Cheers!
August 4, 2014
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Hey,
There is a lot of parameters into this. How many players left? What is the pay structure? What is your current rank? And what is your goal? just get into the money of finish first? Is the guy loose? Did you see him trying to steal before with marginal hands? Please share his stats if you have.
if you answer these, I can tell you what I would do.
June 23, 2014
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A lot of it depends on the opponent. If their range is pretty transparent, and you have little equity against the opponent, then maybe throwing in a donk lead can work from time to time.
Some dynamics can work great for this strategy. For instance, it makes some sense for you to lead on certain board textures if you are the type of player who defends their BB often and the preflop aggressor plays pretty face up to where your flatting range connects with the board much more often than their raising range will…then you have an argument in donk leading.
Another great way (and don't do this often) is to donk lead small into the preflop aggressor when you feel pretty certain the board texture hit their range AND you've hit a set. Against a lot of live regs this works great in my experience.
Here's an example:
There is an early position raise that folds around to you in the BB with two red Pocket 3's. You call. and the board comes out As Jd 3s. I will often lead small with my set against a relatively unknown opponent and see what they do; especially since that board texture often hits an early position raise. Often, in my experience, they will interpret the donk lead as a “see where I'm at lead, or I'm trying to see the turn cheap with my draw” and the preflop aggressor, especially if they've hit top pair, will often raise your lead to see how you respond…even if the villain calls, they might interpret your lead as weak and play the turn accordingly. What happens quite frequently, if I call the flop raise from the preflop aggressor, I'll reluctantly call with the intention of donk leading the turn small.
Once I donk lead the turn small, I'll often, especially against an aggressive opponent, watch my Villain “tool out” and make an aggressive move against me, thus bloating the pot even more against my set, and pot committing themselves against me. I've extracted some great value doing this.
Hope that makes sense. Obviously don't do this often and if you do, you might want to balance your range with this play by folding early for cheap making the same move.
I'd like to hear others thoughts on this play.
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December 6, 2012
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Interesting question and I like the way you are thinking about this. Here are some things I'd encourage you to think about anytime you are considering a new or unconventional (for you, anyway) line.
1. What kind of odds are you getting? In the example you posted you are risking 2500 to win 7000, so if he folds 27% (2500/(7000+2500)) of the time this will show a profit.
2. What would he have to do to fold less than 27% of the time? Based on his preflop range, how often will he have a pair?
3. If he won't have a pair more than 73% of the time, then he'll have to defend with some non-pair hands as well. How could he do this? Do you think he'll call with less than a pair? Do you think he'll raise you as a bluff?
4. The really tricky bit is that even if you prove this is profitable, you have to consider the alternatives. You can ask the same sorts of questions for a check-raise bluff and try to deduce which will give you the highest EV.
August 4, 2014
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Air_Apparent said:
A lot of it depends on the opponent. If their range is pretty transparent, and you have little equity against the opponent, then maybe throwing in a donk lead can work from time to time.
Some dynamics can work great for this strategy. For instance, it makes some sense for you to lead on certain board textures if you are the type of player who defends their BB often and the preflop aggressor plays pretty face up to where your flatting range connects with the board much more often than their raising range will…then you have an argument in donk leading.
Another great way (and don't do this often) is to donk lead small into the preflop aggressor when you feel pretty certain the board texture hit their range AND you've hit a set. Against a lot of live regs this works great in my experience.
Here's an example:
There is an early position raise that folds around to you in the BB with two red Pocket 3's. You call. and the board comes out As Jd 3s. I will often lead small with my set against a relatively unknown opponent and see what they do; especially since that board texture often hits an early position raise. Often, in my experience, they will interpret the donk lead as a “see where I'm at lead, or I'm trying to see the turn cheap with my draw” and the preflop aggressor, especially if they've hit top pair, will often raise your lead to see how you respond…even if the villain calls, they might interpret your lead as weak and play the turn accordingly. What happens quite frequently, if I call the flop raise from the preflop aggressor, I'll reluctantly call with the intention of donk leading the turn small.
Once I donk lead the turn small, I'll often, especially against an aggressive opponent, watch my Villain “tool out” and make an aggressive move against me, thus bloating the pot even more against my set, and pot committing themselves against me. I've extracted some great value doing this.
Hope that makes sense. Obviously don't do this often and if you do, you might want to balance your range with this play by folding early for cheap making the same move.
I'd like to hear others thoughts on this play.
I use this technique against an aggressive player when I have somewhat of an aggressive image, especially if I was stubborn to defend my blinds in the previous hands and I know that he knows it. However, this is not the answer of the original question. This is a totally different scenario, as our guy missed the flop, and you are talking about hitting a monster on a very dry board.
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August 25, 2012
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I’m not a huge fan of donking in many spots, unless you have a pretty good read on the villain. The reason for this is that people interpret donkbets in such wildly different ways that you actually sometimes make it more difficult for yourself to play the hand on future streets by donkbetting against randoms, because it becomes difficult to accurately establish ranges for the villain. I don’t think it’s bad to do it with strong hands against weak players, but doing it as a bluff is a tricky process and one which I wouldn’t really engage in unless I had a pretty good idea of how I would expect the villain to react. Otherwise I would just default to checking my whole range in the BB.
October 6, 2010
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love ginger’s post above
tbh i would much rather have a check-raising range than a donking range. for the reason being you can get people to stab at a pot much more than you can get them to bluff raise. and as ginger mentions, if you are bluff-donking and they flat, it becomes pretty hard to play turns and rivers because you are no OOP and have bloated the pot. so unless you have a pretty clear idea to proceed i wouldnt be doing this vs randoms
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